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Martin Atkins.

The religion of Islam includes a basic set of rules designed to protect the rights and freedoms of individuals and communities. It is a doctrine concerned with respect, tolerance, justice, and equality. The Islamic concepts of freedom and human rights are imbedded in and guaranteed by the Sharia (Islamic Law). Islam establishes a legal framework, and embodies a code of ethics, designed to protect the rights of an individual including his or her right to live in a secure community.
Prophet Muhammad said, “Whosoever wakes up (in the morning) feeling that he is secure in his community, free from ailments and diseases in his body, and has enough provision for a single day, it is as if he owns the entire world.”
The Sharia is concerned with preserving five basic rights: the right to practice religion, the protection of life, the safeguarding of the mind or intellect, the preservation of honour and family, and the sanctity of wealth and property. It is a moral and ethical base in which individual rights are upheld but not permitted to overshadow the rights of the community.
Islamic law contains comprehensive principles and general rules that take into consideration the changing circumstances of society, as well as the constancy and permanence of human nature. While the Sharia combines stability, flexibility, and firmness, it has set down immutable punishments for certain crimes, that are not affected by changing conditions and circumstances. One of these punishments is the death penalty.
There are only two categories of crimes for which the death penalty can be applied under Sharia law. One is murder and the other is for crimes against the community (sometimes known as spreading mischief). One of the core principles of Islam is that a cohesive and secure community is absolutely paramount. Crimes that threaten the community include treason, apostasy (when one leaves the religion of Islam and actively turns against it), , piracy, rape, adultery, practising magic and homosexual activity.
“We ordained ...that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.” (Quran 5:32)
One of the most grave sins is the intentional taking of a life. When Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was asked what the major sins were, he said, “Associating others with God, disobeying one’s parents, murder and bearing false witness." God says,

And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein; and the Wrath and the Curse of God are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him” (Quran 4:93)

It is important to understand that there is no place for vigilantism in Islam. A person accused of a crime must be properly convicted in an Islamic court of law before any punishment can be meted out. In the case of the death penalty the severity of the punishment requires that very strict evidence standards must be met before a conviction is found.
There are three categories of punishment in the Sharia. Hadd punishments, for crimes against the community are those that are divinely prescribed in the Quran or the authentic traditions of Prophet Muhammad. They cannot be changed. These punishments can only be carried out by a Muslim ruler or his deputy. It is not permissible for individual Muslims to carry out the hadd punishments (which sometimes include the death penalty) because of the chaos and tribulation it would cause in the community.

The second form of punishment, specifically for murder or serious assault, is called Qisas. Whenever a person causes physical harm or death to another, the injured or family of the deceased has the right to retaliation. A unique aspect of Qisas, is that the victim’s family has the option to insist upon the punishment, accept monetary recompense, or forgive the offender, which could even avert the death penalty. Quran urges families and victims to forgive and show mercy even in the direst of circumstances.

“And there is (a saving of) life for you in Al-Qisas (the Law of Equality in punishment), Oh men of understanding, that you may become pious.” (Quran 2:179)
All other crimes fall into the third category, Tazir, which is a discretionary punishment decided by the court.
God sent down His book of guidance the Quran, He gave humankind Islam, the final message and completion of all religions, He sent Prophet Muhammad, a man capable of leading humankind into a new era of tolerance, respect, and justice. The words of Quran and the authentic traditions of Prophet Muhammad contain rights and responsibilities granted by God to humankind. They are not subject to the whims and desires of men and women or the changing allegiances of governments and corporations.

Islamic law, the Sharia, God’s laws are embed with justice, mercy and forgiveness; it does not involve taking human life unnecessarily.

“We sent our messengers with clear signs and sent down with them the Book and the Balance so that men may conduct themselves with justice.” (Quran 57:25)
“O you who believe, be upholders of justice, witnessing for God alone.” (Quran 4:135)

Even on the rare occasions when the death penalty is called for it is carried out under humane conditions and holds the promise of forgiveness and eternal paradise.Prophet Muhammad said, “Swear allegiance to me that you will not worship anything besides God, Will not steal, and will not commit illegal sexual intercourse.” And then (the Prophet) recited from the Quran and added, “And whoever among you fulfils his pledge, his reward is with God. Whoever commits something of such sins and receives the legal punishment for it, that will be considered as the expiation for that sin. Whoever commits something of such sins and God screens him, it is up to God whether to excuse orpunish him.”

Postscript. It must be noted that individuals, groups and countries have perpetrated great crimes in the name of Islam and in the name of Sharia law. Men women and children have been condemned to death without the benefit of the strict evidence standards demanded by the Sharia and without the sense of justice and forgiveness that are characteristic of the teachings of Quran and the authentic traditions of Prophet Muhammad.




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You have yet to establish the proof of Islam, nor have you established any proof that you god is real in any way other than just another waste-of-time myth. Also, attempting to use your Koran to prove god is nothing but the fallacy of circular reasoning. And, It is like using Harry Potter books to prove Hogwarts is a real school.



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Web Web,
With equal conviction, the Christians use the Bible for proof of God, argue that the evidence is overwhelming, and that people will know Christ's Truth if they only open their hearts and minds to the Truth. Biblical verses are also used to bolster their arguments.
Why should I give more weight to the same religious arguments from Islam? I see no discernable difference. Many people give the same level of skepticism toward Christianity and Islam--and reject both.



Web Web, we are much alike. You reasonably reject Christianity, Judaism, Huduism, Buddhism, etc. I just go one religion further and apply your refined critical thinking toward other religions to your own religion---Islam.



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The only people that Islam protects are themselves, excluding gays and lesbians, which are routinely jailed, harshly punished, and/or murdered by followers of your primitive religion.



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Your religion also does not protect people who renounce Islam:


'Palestinian poet Ashraf Fayadh was sentenced to death by a Saudi Arabian court for renouncing Islam, according to Human Rights Watch (HRW)."



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Wedwed,
Is Michael telling the truth? Is that a true story? If so, do you have a few examples of government sanctioned death sentences for Jews, Christians, Hindus, etc for renouncing their Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, etc? That story seems pretty damning of Islam and a rebuttal to your claim that Muslims are NOT coerced into staying Muslim and becoming Muslim.



Wedwed,
Is there going to be an Islamic movement to save the life of this apostate with quotes from the Qur'an to justify why killing this man is utterly wrong--equivalent to what would happen in a Jewish, Hindu, or Christian community. Does the death sentence for this apostate deeply trouble you and the rest of the Muslim world?



Wedwed,
Never mind, I just read your previous email in which you clarified that the death penalty could be used for apostates to preserve community cohesion.
The Sharia is concerned with preserving five basic rights: the right to practice religion (but only the proper Islamic religion), the protection of life (except for apostates and various other criminals), the safeguarding of the mind or intellect (except for critical statements about Islam or even talk about reforming Islam), the preservation of honour and family (especially when the honor of a man is in jeopardy and can be dismissed by killing a woman), and the sanctity of wealth and property (except if the property belongs to a heretic, Christian/Jew, or apostate).



Wedwed,
Based on what you sent, you're only advocating that people be put to death for the following crimes, right?
1. Treason
2. Apostasy (when one leaves the religion of Islam and actively turns against it)
3. Piracy
4. Rape
5. Adultery (sex with someone other than your wife or husband if you're married)
6. Practicing magic
7. Homosexuality
You don't necessarily want the death sentence for murders--that's up to the victim's family--but definitely death to adulters, homosexuals, magicians, and apostates.
That is a very interesting stance on justice.



If that is accurate, why do you believe that?



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Thank you Wed Wed for taking time to discuss your beliefs openly on a public forum. It is not easy speaking your opinion in a room full of people who disagree. That takes effort. Thank you. Though,I disagree with your points, I'm glad to read ideas from another person's perspective.



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You should distinguish between the laws set by counters and the laws of Islam

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All Islamic countries follow shareah (law), but each country has its own laws as well, which may be related to religion however not set by Islam, but made by the state itself. So the punishment for badmouthing Islam is created by the state and not but Islam itself and is not a part of shareah law.
For example, when the Muslims entered Makkah their army captured many prisoners, including many of those who had persecuted, tortured and killed Muslims for 13 years before they emigrated to Al-Madinah. The prisoners were gathered in front of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). He asked them: "What do you think I will do to you?" Knowing how they had treated Mohammad (pbuh) and his followers, the prisoners were afraid that their fate would be death as a punishment for their crimes. However, in an attempt to ask for leniency, one of them replied: "You are a kind brother and nephew to us", reminding Mohammad (pbuh) that they were his people and many of them were from the same tribe as Mohammad (pbuh). Mohammad (pbuh) replied to them: "You are all free to go!"
So you can see that the prophet treated non-Muslims well even if they harmed him and Muslims and disrespected Islam. The Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was described as a “Mercy for all the Worlds”, as God said in the Quran:
We have sent you as a mercy for all the worlds.” (Quran 21:107(


Just because a country says it follows Shareah does not mean that it applied it fully or correctly. So although they generally follow Shareah they don't follow through with all its laws. In other countries we find that although they don't follow Islam they do punish even kill murders and spies. So it really does differ from one country to another regardless of whether they follow a specific religion or not
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Is Sharia Law the ideal? Those laws and punishments seemed very harsh compared to Asian, Western, Russian, and most countries outside the Middle East (with the except of some African countries).
I'm happy that adulterers, magicians, homosexuals aren't always automatically killed--just most of time. That is, some Islamic countries go against Sharia Law.
Again, I just found it ironic that the punishment for consensual sex between a) two women, b) two men, c) two people who are married to someone else, or d) one person who's married and another who isn't is death, which is considered more sinful than murder. Consensual sex is more evil than murder, which the murderer can sometimes just pay a fine for! That is so counter to cultural and religious practices in nearly all countries on the planet.
Sharia Law is just so bizarre to me as an American who knows heterosexuals with open marriages and good people who've engage and continue to engage in homosexual behaviors and have open marriages. And magicians who enjoy entertaining people. Knowing these friends would or should be put to death per Sharia Law is unsettling.

Wedwed,
Thanks for clarifying that some Islamic countries don't have rule of law (Sharia Law), and people are sometimes mercifully spared death.

Wed Wed, thanks for taking the time to discuss Islam with non-Muslims. We appreciate you.

Wed Wed,


What are your thoughts and opinion of this incident? The fact the she was innocent is bad. Would your opinion change if she was guilty of burning a Qur'an?


A woman is falsely accused of burning a Qur'an so a mob swarms around the mosque shouting "Long live Islam!," "Allah is Great!" while beating her to death with boards and stones, putting in the path of an oncoming car, and then burning her. She was later found to be innocent.



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Again acts are unacceptable and its even worse that they were done in the name of God where they are actually NOT a part of of shariah ( law ).

What has happened is disgusting and they ruin the image of Islam. The acts of one state does not represent Islam as a while, regardless of whether or not she did it, it is wrong.


Unfortunately, many people around the world today would be incredulous to hear that the lives and property of non-Muslims are sacred in Islam. There are reasons for this incredulity. The clearest reason is that people grossly misunderstand the Islamic concept of disassociation with unbelief.
Therefore, it is important to stress the general principle in Islamic Law that the lives of all people, Muslims and non-Muslims, are sacred and inviolable. This is clearly indicated by the sacred texts of Islam, and it needs to be shown to the people that those who try to argue otherwise are deliberately misinterpreting the scriptures and taking things out of context.

Indeed, Islam exhorts us to keep people alive and to save people’s lives whenever the chance arises. God says in the Quran: "On that account, We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever kills a human being for other than punishment for murder or corruption in the Earth, it shall be as if he had killed all humanity, and whoso saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the lives of all humanity." [Quran 5:32]

Islamic Law stresses the values of mercy and compassion, and does not take violence lightly, like we see sectarian extremist groups doing these days.
God says in the Quran: "We only sent you (O Muhammad) as a mercy to all people." [Quran 21:107]
Prophet Muhammad said: "If you show mercy to those on Earth, the One in Heaven will show mercy to you." He also said: "Those who do not show mercy to others will not receive mercy." and: "Those who are merciful receive mercy from the Most Merciful Lord."


He also said: "Kindness beautifies everything it touches, and its absence makes things ugly."



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Thanks for taking the time to respimd., Wed Wed.
On a positive note....
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Martin Atkins

thank you for your kind response. yes there have been many examples similar to the one you sent me which portrays tolerance and love regardless of differences, its very refreshing and lovely to see



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Hi Wed Wed,

Thank you for your responses. I am interested in getting your thoughts on how people who are not Muslim or religious (i.e., external to the faith and culture) can work with peaceful Muslims to influence a reformation of Islam. If those who endorse violence based on certain, perhaps misinterpreted, verses in the Koran can be minimized via a reformation, what do you believe the world at large needs to do to help with that cause? For example, I have read a little on the Muslims For Peace website. Do you like that website? What other resources should people look into to help peaceful Muslims mitigate violence in the name of Islam? Also, what more should peaceful Muslims do internally, as a sect, about this problem?

Thank you for your time.



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Hi Fan of Reason

Thank you for the participation in the discussion.

" what do you believe the world at large needs to do to help with that cause?"

Non- Muslims need to read more about Islam and get the information from good sources which give pure sight of Islam based on a more accurate interpretation of the Quran and the sunnah. Such as these websites:

These interpretations allow Muslims to correctly follow the commands of God and the teachings of his prophet peace be upon him.

" I have read a little on the Muslims For Peace website. Do you like that website?"

No I don't. There are many websites about religions. Some of them are on the right path, but some of them are unfortunately not. ( Muslims For Peace ) is one of these websites as the people behind it claim Prophecy which leads to misconception of Islam to be published.

" What other resources should people look into to help peaceful Muslims mitigate violence in the name of Islam?"


In fact the best sources at all are the original sources, the Quran, and the authentic traditions of Prophet Muhammad, may mercy and blessings of God be upon him. It is not feasible to take one verse from Quran and deduce its meaning without reading the preceding and following verses. Fully understanding the depth and subtlety of the Quran is only possible when one understands the historical context and reason for revelation, as well as in depth knowledge about the life of Prophet Muhammad.


On the other hand, some of Muslims -through social media - do their best to spread awareness people and to reject violence as well. This will show the world that these violent people do not represent Islam nor Muslims and that their acts are denounced by the Islamic faith.



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Thanks for those references. Thanks for your time.


 

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