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Bible Prophecies of Muhammad (part 1 of 4): Witnesses of Scholars

الرد

Dear Seeker,

There is only one thing missing from a life that testifies to all truth. We cannot know the true from the false without the witness of the Holy Spirit of the Living God enlightening our spirit into all truth. That which is spirit cannot be known nor understood with the natural mind of man. One’s spirit must be regenerated by the Spirit of God to know and commune with Him.

All religion is of man. Only God Himself can and will become one with all who earnestly and humbly seek Him and bring Him to Himself. Man may argue over which scripture is true or not true, but only God Himself and no human being can bring us to know that truth.

There is a way to know God by experience without offending any world religion. If you are willing to test the truths by which you guide you life, then without fear God would honor a seeker of truth. On this all honorable seekers can agree. Write and let me know if you have the courage to be absolutely certain your faith is righteousness in the eyes of God. He will reveal to you personally, not by a third party, what is true. Can anything be more wonderful that this. Yet there are those who prefer religion to actually knowing God.

The only requirement to come to Him is to come without preconceptions and humble mind and a pure heart wanting nothing else but Him. We must seek only the approval of God and not the acceptance of man.

If you are led to engage in this spiritual experiment with me I will gladly walk with you into a conscious contact with God Himself into His Power, Love, and Way of Life. You have nothing to lose. If you earnestly follow this path and are not satisfied… you can always put you faith in religion.

Your friend,
Barry
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Bible Prophecies of Muhammad (part 1 of 4): Witnesses of Scholars

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Bible Prophecies of Muhammad

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PROVED THAT: JESUSIS IS GOD

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الشخص إلي ارسلة له الفديو رد

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الرد الجديد

The followers of Jesus were looking for a political type savior. One who would come and deal with the roman government, vindicate them, make all wonderful and perfect here on earth at that time and they saw all the mirecles and were soaking those up as well.
They didn't get who he was, fully, until after he had left earth.
John even wrote from prison asking, are you the one, or are we to wait for another? They were typical doubting, uncertain and wavering in comprehension humans just like we are today.
The Jews of today, many of them, don't realize that Jesus was the massiah, spoken of in the old testament. There is a sort of blindness that those who haven't believe suffer under. It's nothing new.
Peter told Jesus that he knew who he was, and he would never forsake him. Jesus knew otherwise and told him, that he would deny him 3 times so on, and he did. Thomas said he would believe it only when he saw and touched it. Another stood under a fig tree and doubted who he was. he left and they went back to fishing And on and on and on.

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جديد الردود مجموعة قوقل
Bible Prophecies of Muhammad

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الرد
The Quran: the Sun Sets in a Mud Puddle?
by Dave Miller, Ph.D.


The Quran contains a considerable amount of uninspired folklore from
Jewish (and other) sources. It also occasionally incorporates elements
of mythology and fairytale in its pages. In a surah that Muslim
sources identify as one in which Muhammad answered questions designed
by Jewish rabbis to challenge his prophethood (Pickthall, n.d., pp.
211-212), the Quran relates the story of Dhu'l-Qarneyn--"The Two-Horned
One." In conveying the story, the Quran gives credence to the
outrageous superstition that the Sun sets in a mud puddle:

They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a
remembrance of him. Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him
unto every thing a road. And he followed a road till, when he reached
the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring,
and found a people thereabout: We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish
or show them kindness. He said: As for him who doeth wrong, we shall
punish him, and then he will be brought back unto his Lord, who will
punish him with awful punishment! But as for him who believeth and
doeth right, good will be his reward, and We shall speak unto him a
mild command. Then he followed a road till, when he reached the
rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We
had appointed no shelter therefrom. So (it was). And We knew all
concerning him (Surah 18:84-92, emp. added).

Observe that the Quran's account is not worded in such a way as to be
allowable on the basis of accommodative or phenomenal language--even as
we speak of the Sun setting or rising. The inclusion of the location
of the Sun's setting--a muddy spring--places the account squarely into
the realm of myth.

The same mistake is made earlier in the same surah (vss. 10-27) when
the Quran lends credibility to the legend of the "Seven Sleepers of
Ephesus" (see Campbell, 2002; Gilchrist, 1986). The legends (which
predate the Quran) spoke of seven (the number varies) noble Christian
youths who fled persecution during the reign of Decius the Emperor who
died in A.D. 251. The youths took refuge in a cave near Ephesus, but
then were sealed in to die. Instead, their lives were miraculously
preserved by falling into a deep sleep that lasted for nearly 200
years, a sleep the Quran claims lasted 309 years (vs. 26). For the
Quran to dignify such outlandish tales is to disprove its own
inspiration.

REFERENCES
Campbell, William (2002), The Quran and the Bible in the Light of
History and Science, [On-line], URL: http://answering-islam.org.uk/Campbell/contents.html.

Gilchrist, John (1986), Muhammad and the Religion of Islam, [On-line],
URL: http://answering-islam.org.uk/Gilchrist/Vol1/5c.html.

Pickthall, Mohammed M. (n.d.), The Meaning of the Glorious Koran (New
York: Mentor).


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مع اننا نرد له من كتابه المحرف

الرد

Provewhat you sayof the Bible


Question
what did the followers of jesus take him as ! a great man or god

My answer

a great man

Directoryof the Bible

When some of the people heard his words, they said, "This man must be the Prophet we've been expecting." Others said, "He is the Christ." Still others asked, "How can the Christ come from Galilee? (John 7:40-41)

Mat 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!

When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets


He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.










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جديد الردود مجموعة قوقل
bible prophecies of muhammad

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الرد
the quran: The sun sets in a mud puddle?
By dave miller, ph.d.


The quran contains a considerable amount of uninspired folklore from
jewish (and other) sources. It also occasionally incorporates elements
of mythology and fairytale in its pages. In a surah that muslim
sources identify as one in which muhammad answered questions designed
by jewish rabbis to challenge his prophethood (pickthall, n.d., pp.
211-212), the quran relates the story of dhu'l-qarneyn--"the two-horned
one." in conveying the story, the quran gives credence to the
outrageous superstition that the sun sets in a mud puddle:

They will ask thee of dhu'l-qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a
remembrance of him. Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him
unto every thing a road. And he followed a road till, when he reached
the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring,
and found a people thereabout: We said: O dhu'l-qarneyn! Either punish
or show them kindness. He said: As for him who doeth wrong, we shall
punish him, and then he will be brought back unto his lord, who will
punish him with awful punishment! But as for him who believeth and
doeth right, good will be his reward, and we shall speak unto him a
mild command. Then he followed a road till, when he reached the
rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom we
had appointed no shelter therefrom. So (it was). And we knew all
concerning him (surah 18:84-92, emp. Added).

Observe that the quran's account is not worded in such a way as to be
allowable on the basis of accommodative or phenomenal language--even as
we speak of the sun setting or rising. The inclusion of the location
of the sun's setting--a muddy spring--places the account squarely into
the realm of myth.

The same mistake is made earlier in the same surah (vss. 10-27) when
the quran lends credibility to the legend of the "seven sleepers of
ephesus" (see campbell, 2002; gilchrist, 1986). The legends (which
predate the quran) spoke of seven (the number varies) noble christian
youths who fled persecution during the reign of decius the emperor who
died in a.d. 251. The youths took refuge in a cave near ephesus, but
then were sealed in to die. Instead, their lives were miraculously
preserved by falling into a deep sleep that lasted for nearly 200
years, a sleep the quran claims lasted 309 years (vs. 26). For the
quran to dignify such outlandish tales is to disprove its own
inspiration.

References
campbell, william (2002), the quran and the bible in the light of
history and science, [on-line], url: http://answering-islam.org.uk/campbell/contents.html.

Gilchrist, john (1986), muhammad and the religion of islam, [on-line],
url: http://answering-islam.org.uk/gilchrist/vol1/5c.html.

Pickthall, mohammed m. (n.d.), the meaning of the glorious koran (new
york: Mentor).


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The Bible confirms the Quran

We have already written a few articles showing how the Bible confirms that the Quran is not false, and that it is a holy and truthful book of God_
We now present further evidence to document this fact, the latest evidence comes from 3 John chapter 1 verse 11 which says the following:
Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God. (3rd John 1:11)
So according to the Bible anyone who does something good is of God, well, the Quran is full of instructions which command Muslims to do good things, Muhammad (AS) the prophet of Islam did many good things, which means he is of God, which thereby means the Quran is also of God.
Here are some of the many good teachings of the Quran:
To those weak of understanding Make not over your property, which Allah hath made a means of support for you, but feed and clothe them therewith, and speak to them words of kindness and justice. (4:5)

To orphans restore their property (When they reach their age), nor substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your own. For this is indeed a great sin. (4:2)

Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin. (17:31)

Say: "Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from": Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom. (6:151)

Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate! (41:34)
The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise. (9:71)
and spend something (in charity) out of the substance which We have bestowed on you, before Death should come to any of you and he should say, "O my Lord! why didst Thou not give me respite for a little while? I should then have given (largely) in charity, and I should have been one of the doers of good". (63:10)
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!" (4:75)
And here are some acts of the prophet Muhammad:
Bukhari Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 257.

Narrated By 'Abdullah : During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 413:
Narrated Anas:
Some goods came to Allah's Apostle from Bahrain. The Prophet ordered the people to spread them in the mosque --it was the biggest amount of goods Allah's Apostle had ever received. He left for prayer and did not even look at it. After finishing the prayer, he sat by those goods and gave from those to everybody he saw. Al-'Abbas came to him and said, "O Allah's Apostle! give me (something) too, because I gave ransom for myself and 'Aqil" Allah's Apostle told him to take. So he stuffed his garment with it and tried to carry it away but he failed to do so. He said, "O Allah's Apostle! Order someone to help me in lifting it." The Prophet refused. He then said to the Prophet: Will you please help me to lift it?" Allah's Apostle refused. Then Al-'Abbas threw some of it and tried to lift it (but failed). He again said, "O Allah's Apostle Order someone to help me to lift it." He refused. Al-'Abbas then said to the Prophet: "Will you please help me to lift it?" He again refused. Then Al-'Abbas threw some of it, and lifted it on his shoulders and went away. Allah's Apostle kept on watching him till he disappeared from his sight and was astonished at his greediness. Allah's Apostle did not get up till the last coin was distributed.

I could carry on for ages, I could write a whole entire book on the good teachings of the Noble Quran, and on the good life and acts of the prophet Muhammad, but the point has been made, we have seen the good teachings and acts, and according to the Bible, those who do good are of God, so therefore Islam is of God, the Quran is of God, the prophet Muhammad is of God.



The Bible is a book filled with great myths, fables, and magical adventures.

One of these great fables and magical story is the talking donkey who spoke to Balaam!

Numbers 22: 28-30

8 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. 30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.


The story speaks for itself, Balaam feels insulted by the talking donkey, and then the talking donkey tries to calm Balaam down!

I only bring this up to silence desperate missionaries who always argue against hadiths which show supernatural events. Therefore whenever you come up with one of these missionaries.






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Muhammad in the Bible?
An Analysis of the Muslim Appeal to Biblical Prophecy

By David Wood

According to many Muslims, the Bible is full of prophecies about
Muhammad.[1] Christian apologists have spent a great deal of time
refuting this claim, but, as the following account will demonstrate,
the Bible does contain clear prophecies about Muhammad. Nevertheless,
the Muslim search for prophecies supporting Islam has been sloppy; as
a result, defenders of Islam have failed to provide a single well-
evidenced example of a Biblical prediction about their prophet. Thus,
after briefly examining the Qur’anic claim to Biblical support, I will
show (1) that the standard Biblical verses used by Muslims to support
this claim are extremely problematic for Islam, and (2) that Christian
apologists are wrong when they claim that the Bible is silent when it
comes to Islam.

The Qur’an expressly states that both the Old and New Testaments
contain references to Muhammad:

Those who follow the Messenger, The unlettered Prophet, Whom they find
mentioned In their own (Scriptures)—In the Law and the Gospel— ... It
is they who will prosper. (Qur’an 7:157)[2]

And remember, Jesus, The son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I
am the messenger of Allah (Sent) to you, confirming The Law (which
came) Before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger To come after
me, Whose name shall be Ahmad [i.e. Muhammad]." (Qur’an 61:6)

Similarly, early Muslim writings suggest that the Bible contains
numerous prophecies about Muhammad:

Ata Ibn Yasar narrated: "I met Abdullah bin Umar bin Amr bin Al-As and
asked him: ‘Tell me about the description of Allah’s Apostle (the
blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) which is mentioned in the
Torah (i.e. Old Testament).’ He replied: ‘Yes, By Allah, he is
described in the Torah with some of the qualities attributed to him in
the Qur’an.’"[3]

I was told the story of Abdullah bin Salam, a learned rabbi, by one of
his family. He said: "When I heard about the apostle I knew by his
description, name, and the time at which he appeared that he was the
one we were waiting for, and I rejoiced greatly thereat. . . . I
emerged and said: ‘O Jews, fear God and accept what He has sent you.
For by God you know that he is the apostle of God. You will find him
described in your Torah and even named.’"[4]

Among the things which have reached me about what Jesus the Son of
Mary stated in the Gospel which he received from God for the followers
of the Gospel, in applying a term to describe the apostle of God, is
the following. It is extracted from what John the Apostle set down for
them when he wrote the Gospel for them from the Testament of Jesus Son
of Mary: "He that hateth me hath hated the Lord. And if I had not done
in their presence works which none other before me did, they had not
had sin: but from now they are puffed up with pride and think that
they will overcome me and also the Lord. But the word that is in the
law must be fulfilled, ‘They hated me without a cause’ (i.e. without
reason). But when the Comforter has come whom God will send to you
from the Lord’s presence, and the spirit of truth which will have gone
forth from the Lord’s presence he (shall bear) witness of me and ye
also, because ye have been with me from the beginning. I have spoken
unto you about this that ye should not be in doubt."[5]

So Heraclius ordered the Roman generals [who were Christians] to
assemble in a room and commanded that the doors should be fastened.
Then he looked down on them from an upper chamber (for he was afraid
of them) and said: "O Romans, I have brought you together for a good
purpose. This man [i.e. Muhammad] has written me a letter summoning me
to his religion. By God, he is truly the prophet whom we expect and
find in our books, so come and let us follow him and believe in him
that it may be well with us in this world and the next."[6]

Recognizing the importance of the Qur’anic assertion that the Bible
contains clear prophecies about Muhammad, Muslims have spent nearly
fourteen centuries trying to find these prophecies. While hundreds of
verses have been suggested as candidates, only a handful are now being
seriously put forward as Biblical references to Muhammad. Of this
handful, two are most common: Moses’ prophecy of a prophet similar to
himself and Jesus’ prediction of the coming "Comforter." Since these
are Islam’s most significant examples of Biblical support for
Muhammad, we shall call these two prophecies the "Major Prophecies."
The remaining, less important ones shall be referred as the "Minor
Prophecies."


The Major Prophecies

In his note on verse 7:157 of the Qur’an, commentator Yusuf Ali offers
the following evidence for the claim that Muhammad is mentioned in
"the Law and the Gospel":

In this verse is a prefiguring, to Moses, of the Arabian Messenger,
the last and greatest of the Messengers of Allah. Prophecies about him
will be found in the Tawrah and the Injil [Gospel]. In the reflex of
the Tawrah as now accepted by the Jews, Moses says: "The Lord thy God
will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy
brethren, like unto me" (Deut. 18:15): the only Prophet who brought a
Shari’ah [Law] like that of Moses was Muhammad al Mustafa, and he came
of the house of Isma’il, the brother of Isaac, the father of Israel.
In the reflex of the Gospel as now accepted by Christians, Christ
promised another Comforter, (John 14:16): the Greek word Paraclete
which the Christians interpret as referring to the Holy Spirit is by
our Doctors taken to be Periclyte, which would be the Greek form of
Ahmad.[7]

Hence, to defend the validity of the Qur’an on this issue, Ali offers
a single prophecy from the Old Testament and another from the New
Testament. Together, these two predictions form the "one-two punch" of
the Argument from Biblical Prophecy. Yet Muslims have to tear both
prophecies out of context in order to make them conform to the Islamic
interpretation. (This is why Islamic books and pamphlets rarely quote
entire passages; to do so would expose the context and would refute
the argument.) A careful analysis reveals the truth about these texts.

The first of the Major Prophecies comes from Deuteronomy, where Moses
predicts the rise of another prophet:

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of
thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
according to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in
the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of
the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I
die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which
they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their
brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he
shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come
to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall
speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:15-19)[8]

Muslims argue that this prophecy could only have been fulfilled by
Muhammad, who, like Moses, was a lawgiver, a prophet, and a military
leader. Further, this Prophet was to come from the brethren of the
Israelites, which must be a reference to the Ishmaelites (Muhammad’s
purported ancestors), for Ishmael was the brother of Isaac, the father
of Israel. These facts, along with other similarities between Muhammad
and Moses, support the identification of "the Prophet" with Muhammad.

If we were to take Deuteronomy 18:15 by itself, completely ignoring
the rest of the book, we might have some reason to agree with the
Muslim apologists on this issue. However, even a cursory examination
of the context of this prophecy demonstrates the flaws in the Islamic
position.

First, the passage says that God will raise up a prophet like Moses,
because the Israelites didn’t want to speak directly with God. The
Israelites said, "Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my
God ... that I die not," and God replied, "They have well spoken that
which they have spoken." Hence, when verse 18:15 is taken in context,
we see that the Jews were asking for a mediator, someone to stand
between them and God just as Moses did. The ultimate fulfillment of
this passage would be someone who stands as a permanent mediator
between God and man. While Muhammad could certainly be viewed as an
intermediary of some sort, the passage seems to fit more comfortably
if the Prophet is Jesus. At best, one could argue that Muhammad was a
link in the chain of transmission from the Qur’an, from Allah, to
Gabriel, to Muhammad, to mankind. But this doesn’t fulfill the
prophecy. Muslims don’t believe in the sort of mediator required by
Deuteronomy 18. In Christianity, however, Jesus is a permanent
mediator: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be
testified in due time" (1 Timothy 2:5-6).

Next, Moses says that God will raise up a prophet "from the midst of
thee." Since he is talking to Israelites, it sounds as if God is
telling them that he will raise up a prophet from the midst of Israel.
In any case, Muhammad surely wasn’t raised up from the midst of Jews.
Jesus, on the other hand, was born and raised in Israel, so the
context again fits more comfortably if Moses is referring to Jesus.

Third, although Muslims often claim that the term "brethren" must
refer to the Ishmaelites, the Book of Deuteronomy shows that this
claim is completely false. To be sure, "brethren" can be used to refer
to people other than the Jews, and it is used in this manner with the
Edomites earlier in Deuteronomy (see 2:4). However, the term
"brethren" is most commonly used when referring to other Israelites:

If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of
thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt
not harden thy heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother.
(Deuteronomy 15:7)

That this verse refers to fellow Israelites is clear from the verses
that follow, for Moses tells his listeners not to ignore the brother
just because the year for canceling debts is near (the year of debt-
cancellation was meant for fellow Israelites).

"Brethren" is also used regarding the selection of a king:

When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will
set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me; thou
shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall
choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee:
thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
(Deuteronomy 17:14-15)

The Jews obviously weren’t being commanded to seek an Arab king here.
Rather, they were commanded to get a king "from among thy brethren,"
meaning a fellow Jew. The term "brethren" is even used as a reference
to other Israelites in Deuteronomy 18, the same chapter from which the
prophecy is taken:

The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part
nor inheritance with Israel: They shall eat the offerings of the LORD
made by fire, and his inheritance. Therefore shall they have no
inheritance among their brethren: the LORD is their inheritance, as he
hath said unto them. (Deuteronomy 18:1-2)

The Levites were to have no inheritance among their brethren (the
other tribes of Israel). This is how chapter 18 begins, and we’re
never given so much as a hint that the meaning of "brethren" has
changed so that, by verse 15, it refers to Ishmaelites. Given this
repeated use of "brethren" to refer to Israelites, it is disturbing to
read Muslim polemics which claim that "Ishmaelites" is the only
possible interpretation of "brethren." Consider, for instance, what
Deedat says about "brethren":

The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like
manner Muhammed is from among the brethren of the Israelites because
he was a descendent of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This is exactly as
the prophecy has it—"FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN". (Deut. 18:18). There
the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be
like Moses, must arise NOT from the "children of Israel" or from
"among themselves", but from among their brethren. MUHAMMAD THEREFORE
WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN![9]

Contrary to what Deedat suggests, Moses’ prophecy doesn’t say that the
prophet must not come from the children of Israel. Indeed, given the
repeated use of "brethren" to refer to Israelites in Deuteronomy
(especially in chapter 18), it is a wonder that anyone would interpret
it otherwise. Deedat is therefore either completely ignorant of how
"brethren" is used in Deuteronomy, or deliberately deceptive towards
his Muslim readers (knowing that few of them will actually examine his
absurd claim).

Fourth, the conclusion of the Book of Deuteronomy tells us how we
should interpret Moses’ phrase "like unto me":

And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses
had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto
him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses. And there arose not a
prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to
face, in all the signs and wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in
the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his
land, and in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which
Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel. (Deuteronomy 34:9-12)

Here the phrase "like unto Moses" suggests a prophet who would speak
with God face to face and perform signs and wonders "in the sight of
all Israel." Muhammad doesn’t fit either of these criteria. He claimed
to have received his revelations from Gabriel, not directly from God,
and he admittedly could not perform miracles.[10] Jesus, however, both
performed miracles (as even the Qur’an acknowledges[11]) and spoke
directly with God:

Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto
you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father
do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son
likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things
that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these,
that ye may marvel. (John 5:19-20)

Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lift up the Son of man, then
shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my
Father hath taught me, I speak these things. (John 8:28)

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave
me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I
know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak
therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. (John 12:49)

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which you
hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. (John 14:24)

Finally, while Muslims appeal to Deuteronomy 18:15-19 as evidence for
their prophet, they would do well to read the next verse, which, when
combined with a certain embarrassing event from Muhammad’s life, turns
out to be proof against the prophet of Islam. In Deuteronomy 18:20,
God declares:

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which
I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of
other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Here God gives us two criteria for recognizing a false prophet: (1) If
a person delivers a revelation which doesn’t come from God, the person
is a false prophet; and (2) if a person speaks in the name of other
gods, the person is a false prophet. Interestingly, Muhammad meets
both criteria, for he delivered the infamous "Satanic Verses" (i.e.
verses he gave to his followers as part of the Qur’an but later
claimed were inspired by Satan). Since these verses did not come from
God, Muhammad meets the first criterion. And since the verses promoted
polytheism, Muhammad meets the second criterion as well. Hence, the
very passage that Muslims claim as their primary Biblical prophecy
about Muhammad turns out to proclaim that Muhammad can’t be a prophet
at all! (For a much fuller treatment of Deuteronomy 18:20 as evidence
against Muhammad, see "The Deuteronomy Deductions.")

True, Moses and Muhammad had some similarities. Nevertheless, when we
examine the context in Deuteronomy, we find that these similarities
count for little. Moses told the Israelites that God would send them
another intercessor; in the New Testament, Jesus is the mediator
between God and man. Moses told the Israelites that God would raise up
a prophet from the midst of them; whereas Jesus was born in Israel,
Muhammad was born in what is now Saudi Arabia. Moses told the
Israelites that the prophet would come from among their "brethren," a
term that is used over and over again to refer to their fellow
Israelites; Jesus was a Jew, yet Muhammad was an Arab. Moses was known
as a miracle worker who spoke directly to God; it is Jesus, not
Muhammad, who was like Moses in these respects. On top of all this,
Deuteronomy 18:20 rules out Muhammad as a prophet.

Of course, Muslims are free to believe that Moses’ prophecy in
Deuteronomy 18 refers to Muhammad. But when they offer this verse as
evidence of Muhammad’s prophethood, the burden of proof of is on them.
Since the major characteristics of the Prophet in Deuteronomy apply
most directly to Jesus, Muslims need to find another Major Prophecy to
sustain the Qur’anic claim to Biblical support.

At this point, Muslims turn to the book of John, where Jesus predicts
the coming "Comforter":

If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and
he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for
ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because
it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he
dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you
comfortless: I will come to you. (John 14:15-18)

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But
the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in
my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:25-26)

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he
shall testify of me: and ye also shall bear witness, because ye have
been with me from the beginning. (John 15:26-27)

Oddly enough, Muslims see these passages as predictions of the coming
of Muhammad. Indeed, after quoting all three passages about the
Comforter, Maulana Muhammad Ali maintains, "All these prophetic words
predict in unequivocal terms the advent of another prophet after
Jesus."[12] Muslims reason that, since the Comforter will not come
unless Jesus returns to the Father, this prophecy cannot possibly be
referring to the Holy Spirit, for the Holy Spirit was already present
in Jesus. Thus, Jesus must have been predicting the rise of another
prophet, and (for some reason) Muhammad is the only possible
candidate. Such a claim is, to say the least, quite baffling to anyone
familiar with John’s Gospel.

First, Muslims draw this prophecy from a book that begins by declaring
that Jesus is God and that he created all things (John 1:1-3). In the
Book of John, Jesus claims to have existed before Abraham (8:58) and
describes himself as the ladder between heaven and earth (1:51; cf.
Genesis 28:10-17). A blind man who receives his sight worships Jesus
(9:35-38), and Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God" (20:28). Jesus
is crucified, dead, buried, and resurrected, events that are at odds
with the Qur’an. Further, in the very chapters to which Muslims appeal
for their predictions about Muhammad, Jesus proclaims that he is the
only way to God (14:6), that anyone who has seen him has seen the
Father (14:9), that he is "in the Father" and that the Father is in
him (14:11), that he can answer prayers (14:14), and that we cannot
bear fruit unless we abide in him (15:4). We might wonder why Muslims
appeal to a book that is so diametrically opposed to Islam. However,
we must remember that Muhammad declared that there are prophecies
about him in the New Testament. Muslims are thus forced into grasping
at anything that will help them vindicate Muhammad’s claim.

Second, the three passages from John repeatedly identify the Comforter
as the Holy Spirit (or the "Spirit of Truth"). Yet Muslims argue that
these verses simply can’t refer to the Holy Spirit:

The terms of the prophecy do not warrant the conclusion that they are
applicable to the Holy Ghost. "If I go not away, the Comforter will
not come unto you" are words too clear to need any comment. The New
Testament says that John was filled with the Holy Ghost even before he
was born. Then it speaks of Jesus himself as receiving the Holy Ghost
in the shape of a dove. Thus the Holy Ghost used to visit men before
the time of Jesus as well as in his own time.[13]

This argument clearly misses the point of Jesus’ prediction. Jesus
acknowledges that the Spirit was already with them: "... for he
dwelleth with you." The prophecy was that the Spirit would be in them
and dwell with them forever. This was something entirely new, and it
was by no means invalidated because the Spirit was already in Jesus.

Third, as we just saw, Jesus says that the Comforter would be with his
disciples forever. In no sense was Muhammad ever with Jesus’
disciples, let alone with them permanently.

Fourth, according to the prophecy, the world cannot receive the
Comforter because it cannot see him. Thousands of people saw Muhammad
during his lifetime, for he was visible. Thus, the invisible Comforter
cannot be the visible Muhammad.

Fifth, Jesus tells the disciples that the Comforter was already with
them. While the Holy Spirit was with Jesus’ disciples, Muhammad wasn’t
born for more than five centuries after this prophecy and therefore
couldn’t have been with them.

Sixth, the Comforter was to be in the disciples. Muhammad is not in
Jesus’ followers and never will be. The Holy Spirit, on the other
hand, filled the believers at Pentecost and has been in Christians
ever since.

Seventh, Jesus said that he would send the Comforter from the Father.
Muslims do not believe that Muhammad was sent by Jesus; they believe
that Muhammad was sent by God. So, unless Muslims are willing to admit
that Jesus is God, they should not accept this as a prophecy about
Muhammad.

Finally, prior to his ascension, Jesus predicted that his followers
would "be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence" (Acts
1:5). The Holy Spirit came to Jesus’ followers shortly after his
ascension to the Father:

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one
accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of
a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were
sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire,
and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy
Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them
utterance. (Acts 2:1-4)

Thus, the fulfillment of this prophecy came within a matter of days.
Muhammad came more than five hundred years later.

Putting all of this together, we see that Muhammad could not have been
the Comforter. He was not with the apostles, he was not in the
apostles, he was not with them forever, he was not invisible, he was
not sent by Jesus, and he did not come quickly, as Jesus said he
would. Yet the Holy Spirit matches this description perfectly. Jesus
identified the Comforter as the Holy Spirit, who was with the
disciples, was in them at Pentecost, was invisible, came quickly, was
sent by Jesus, and has been with Christians for nearly two thousand
years. Given the facts, Muslims who apply these verses to Muhammad
should be ashamed of themselves.


The Minor Prophecies

Although the most popular Muslim prophecies completely fail upon
closer inspection, Muslim apologists have offered a number of other
weaker examples of predictions about Muhammad. They are less common
because, in context, they typically have nothing to do with a coming
prophet or the rise of another religion. Muslims therefore have to
force their own meaning into these prophecies, but they do so at the
expense of their own integrity.

In addition to the prophecies discussed above, Maulana Muhammad Ali
offers three other Biblical prophecies about the rise of Muhammad. Yet
he begins, oddly enough, by quoting some verses from the Qur’an
regarding the coming of a final prophet, and he goes on to argue that
only Muhammad fits the description of the "Messenger" in these verses.
Ali thus quotes verses given by Muhammad as evidence that Muhammad was
the one proclaimed in the verses![14]

After engaging in this bit of circular reasoning, Ali offers a promise
made to Abraham (cleverly combined with a later promise about Ishmael)
as the first prediction of the rise of Islam:

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and
from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will
shew thee: and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless
thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: and I
will curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of
the earth be blessed. (Genesis 12:1-3)

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and
will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve
princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. (Genesis
17:20)

Ali considers this to be the first "prophecy announcing the advent of
the Holy Prophet Muhammad."[15] However, while I quoted the first
passage in context, I left the second passage as it appears in Ali’s
book. Watch what happens when we include the surrounding verses:

And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! And
God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt
call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an
everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as for Ishmael,
I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him
fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he
beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I
establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set
time in the next year. (Genesis 17:18-22)

Hence, to support his case, Ali quotes a promise that God made to
Abraham, then quotes a verse about Ishmael, claiming that it shows
that the promise refers to Ishmael and his descendents (i.e.
Muhammad). Yet, in quoting the verse, he leaves out all the
surrounding material, which states that the covenant was to be made,
not with Ishmael, but with Isaac. Knowing that few of his readers will
be so bold as to actually look up the references he cites, Ali has no
difficulty wrenching this verse from its context, giving it a meaning
far different from the one expressed in Genesis.

Nevertheless, Muslims still argue that this passage predicts the rise
of a nation from Ishmael’s descendents, and that such a prediction can
only refer to the rise of Islam. However, the fulfillment of this
prophecy took place in the Book of Genesis, not twenty-six centuries
later in Mecca:

Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham’s son, whom Hagar
the Egyptian, Sarah’s handmaid, bare unto Abraham: and these are the
names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their
generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and
Adbeel, and Mibsam, and Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, Hadar, and Tema,
Jetur, Naphich, and Kedemah: these are the sons of Ishmael, and these
are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes
according to their nations. (Genesis 25:12-16)

Ali’s second example is Moses’ prediction of a prophet like himself,
which we have already addressed. His third prophecy also comes from
Deuteronomy:

And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the
children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from
Sinai, And rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from mount
Paran, And he came with ten thousands of saints: From his right hand
went a fiery law for them. (Deuteronomy 33:1-2)

Notice that this passage says nothing about prophets. It is a
description of God’s victory in bringing the Israelites into the Holy
Land. God was with them as they passed Sinai, Seir, and Paran. Indeed,
the language used by Moses to describe God’s help is common in the Old
Testament:

LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, When thou marchedst out of the
field of Edom, The earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, The clouds
also dropped water. The mountains melted from before the LORD, Even
that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel. (Judges 5:4-5)

O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, When thou didst
march through the wilderness; Selah. The earth shook, the heavens also
dropped At the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved At the
presence of God, the God of Israel. ... The chariots of God are twenty
thousand, even thousands of angels: The Lord is among them, as in
Sinai, in the holy place. (Psalm 68:7-8, 17)

Yet Muslim apologists claim that Moses’ words at the beginning of his
blessing aren’t a description of God’s victory; instead, they are a
prediction of three great prophets. Ali argues:

"Coming from Sinai" refers to the appearance of Moses, while "rising
up from Seir" refers to the conquest of Seir by David. Now Paran is
admittedly the ancient name for the land of Hijaz, where arose
Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) from among the
descendents of Ishmael.[16]

Most Muslim commentators, however, believe that "Seir" refers to the
prophethood of Jesus, not to the conquest of Seir by King David. Thus
Badawi claims:

Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.
It speaks of God (i.e. God’s revelation) coming from Sinai, rising
from Seir (probably the village of Sa’ir near Jerusalem) and shining
forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran
was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).
[17]

These interpretations are fraught with difficulties. Moses’ blessing
begins by saying that the LORD (not the prophets) came from Sinai,
rose up from Seir, and shined forth from Mount Paran. To say that this
really refers to prophets requires an unjustified leap of
interpretation, especially since similar language is used elsewhere in
the Old Testament to describe God’s victories over Israel’s enemies.
Further, while God gave a revelation at Sinai, the Muslim
interpretations of "Seir" are problematic. Ali holds that it refers to
David’s conquest of Seir, but what does this have to do with the rise
of a prophet or the giving of revelation? Badawi says that the
reference to Seir probably refers to the village of Sa’ir near
Jerusalem. But this view is preposterous. The Pentateuch mentions Seir
numerous times as the place where the Edomites settled, and the same
word is used in Deuteronomy 33. Needless to say, the Edomites didn’t
settle in the village of Sa’ir near Jerusalem, which makes it
impossible to link Jesus to Seir. Additionally, Paran (near Mecca,
according to Muslims) is also mentioned several time in the Torah:

And the children of Israel took their journeys out of the wilderness
of Sinai; and the cloud [i.e. the glory of the LORD] rested in the
wilderness of Paran. (Numbers 10:12)

And afterward the people removed from Hazeroth, and pitched in the
wilderness of Paran. (Numbers 12:16)

And Moses by the commandment of the LORD sent them from the wilderness
of Paran: all those men were heads of the children of Israel. (Numbers
13:3)

And they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the
congregation of the children of Israel, unto the wilderness of Paran,
to Kadesh; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the
congregation, and shewed them the fruit of the land. (Numbers 13:26)

These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side
Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea,
between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.
(Deuteronomy 1:1)

Mount Paran is in northwestern Sinai, a great distance from Mecca.
However, even if Paran were the land of Muhammad, as Badawi claims,
the Torah would simply be telling us that the Israelites spent time
there during their flight from Egypt, and that the fiery pillar of the
glory of God rested there for a time. It makes sense, then, to think
that Moses’ report that the LORD "shined forth from mount Paran"
refers to the LORD literally shining forth from Mount Paran, not to
Muhammad figuratively shining forth with the Qur’an in Mecca.

Ali’s final prophecy (other than Jesus’ prediction of the coming
Comforter) is taken from Isaiah:

The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye
traveling companies of Dedanim. The inhabitants of the land of Tema
brought water to him that was thirsty, They prevented with their bread
him that fled. For they fled from the swords, From the drawn sword,
and from the bent bow, And from the grievousness of war. (Isaiah
21:13-15)

According to Ali, this "burden upon Arabia" is a clear prophecy about
Muhammad:

In the first place the word "Arabia" is by itself significant enough.
Then the mention of one who fled sheds still further light on the
object of the prophecy. The history of the world records but one such
flight that has won the importance of a red-letter event—the flight of
the Holy Prophet Muhammad from Makkah. ... A yet clearer testimony,
however, is contained in the words, "he fled from drawn swords."
History confirms that the Holy Prophet Muhammad fled from Makkah while
his house was still surrounded by blood-thirsty enemies with drawn
swords ready to fall upon him in a body as soon as he came out. ...
These two authoritative facts of history, supplemented by a direct
mention of the land of Arabia as the birth-place of the Promised
Prophet, furnished an indisputable clue that the prophecy refers to
the Holy Prophet Muhammad.[18]

Before we agree with Ali that this prophecy is "indisputable," perhaps
we should read the next two verses, which he conveniently leaves out
of his quotation:

For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the
years of a hireling, And all the glory of Kedar shall fail: And the
residue of the number of archers, The mighty men of the children of
Kedar, shall be diminished: For the LORD God of Israel hath spoken it.
(Isaiah 21:16-17)

The verses that Ali omits provide a timeframe for when the prophecy
was to be fulfilled. The fulfillment was to take place within a year
of the prophecy! While we cannot be certain when the prophecy was
made, we know that Isaiah wrote during the expansion of the Assyrian
empire, and that the Assyrians began invading Arabia in 732 B.C.
Further, the inhabitants of Tema lived approximately four hundred
miles north of Mecca, so it is difficult to imagine how the prophecy
could apply to Muhammad’s flight from Mecca. It seems most reasonable,
then, to conclude that Isaiah prophesied about the Assyrian empire’s
attacks on Arabia that occurred during his own lifetime, not about
Muhammad’s flight from Mecca more than a thousand years later.

This concludes Ali’s evidence that the Bible speaks about Muhammad.
Other Muslim apologists offer a few additional prophecies, but they
all suffer from the same problems. After examining five Biblical
"prophecies" about Muhammad, we can see that the method Muslims use in
their Argument from Biblical Prophecy consists of the following steps:

Step One: Find any verse in the Bible that can be interpreted, by a
stretch of the imagination, as a prophecy about Muhammad;

Step Two: Wrench the verse from its context, ignoring the verses that
precede it and those that follow;

Step Three: Ignore all obvious, common-sensical interpretations of the
prophecy, especially those that were fulfilled shortly after the
prophecy was given;

Step Four: Popularize the prophecy and the Muslim interpretation in
books, pamphlets, sermons, and internet articles, knowing that few
people will ever critically examine the passage.

While such a method appears detestable to the uninitiated, it comes
quite naturally to many Muslim apologists. Nevertheless, it isn’t
really their fault. Muhammad claimed that the Bible is full of
prophecies about the rise of Islam, so Muslims are doing their best to
find those prophecies. They’ve spent nearly fourteen centuries
searching for at least two unambiguous predictions (one from the Old
Testament and one from the New Testament), yet all their attempts have
failed. This presents an enormous problem for Islam, for this lack of
Biblical support leads to a devastating conclusion. Since Muhammad
claimed that the Bible predicts the rise of Islam, the following
syllogism refutes Muhammad’s prophethood:

Premise One: If Muhammad was a true prophet, the Bible must contain
numerous clear prophecies about him (for this is what he claimed).

Premise Two: There are no clear prophecies about Muhammad in the
Bible.

Conclusion: Therefore, Muhammad was not a true prophet.

Of course, this means that the Muslim search for Biblical support has
actually backfired and shown the religion to be false. However, such a
conclusion may be too hasty, for, in reality, the Bible does contain
prophecies about Muhammad. Muslims have simply overlooked them.


The True Prophecies

Consider the following passages drawn from the New Testament:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but
inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16)

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. And then
shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate
one another. And many false prophets shall arise, and shall deceive
many. (Matthew 24:9-11)

And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be
according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall
depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines
of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared
with a hot iron. (1 Timothy 4:1-2)

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but
after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having
itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and
shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

These verses need not be applied solely to Muhammad. Yet, without a
doubt, Muhammad is a fulfillment of many New Testament prophecies.
First, Jesus said that false prophets come in sheep’s clothing, but
are actually ravening wolves. Muhammad fits this criterion better than
anyone else in history. He convinced his followers that he was the
greatest moral example in history, yet he murdered countless people,
took part in the slave trade, allowed husbands to beat their wives,
allowed his men to have sex with their female slaves, had at least
nine wives at one time, admittedly proclaimed verses from Satan, and
had sex with a nine-year-old girl.[19] If Muhammad doesn’t fulfill
Jesus’ prophecy, then who does?

Next, Jesus said that false prophets would arise, and that they would
deceive many. There are currently more than a billion Muslims in the
world, and Islam is one of the world’s fastest growing religions. This
means that Muhammad is the greatest false prophet of all time, and the
most obvious fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy.

Third, the Apostle Paul said that Satan masquerades as an angel of
light. If Muhammad had been aware of this, perhaps he would have
trusted his first instinct when a spirit claiming to be Gabriel
suddenly appeared to him. (Muhammad’s first impression of his
revelations was that he was under demonic attack.[20]) This is a clear
fulfillment of Paul’s words.

Fourth, Paul said that people would give heed to "seducing spirits"
and "doctrines of devils." Muhammad’s infamous "Satanic Verses"
provide a striking example of this. The Prophet of Islam received
revelations saying that it was okay for his followers to pray to gods
besides Allah. Later, he claimed that Satan had put those words on his
lips.[21] Muhammad was therefore seduced by the doctrines of Satan,
just as Paul predicted.

Fifth, Paul predicted that a time would come when people would not
listen to sound doctrine. Instead, they would turn their ears away
from the truth and listen to fables. An application of this prophecy
can be made to Muslims today. While there are many Muslims who seek
the truth, there are also many who don’t seem to care where the
evidence points. Instead of acknowledging that Islam is an untenable
religion, they go to teachers like Jamal Badawi and Shabir Ally, who
tell them what they want to hear.

These prophecies may all be applied to Muhammad and to Islam. Thus,
when Muhammad claimed that other messengers of God had prophesied
about him, he was correct. The problem is that these messengers
predicted the rise of false prophets, not the rise of a new religion
after Christianity. Tragically, most people haven’t heeded the
warnings of the prophets. To this day, many even reject the words of
Christ. Yet when a man rises from the dead, vindicated by God,
everyone should listen to what he says. And when this risen man tells
us that false prophets will come, we should probably be suspicious of
anyone claiming to be a prophet—especially one with Muhammad’s
character flaws. Indeed, in addition to his other flaws, Muhammad is
guilty rejecting one of the clearest prophecies in history, a prophecy
about the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth:

Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the LORD
revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, And as a
root out of a dry ground: He hath no form nor comeliness; And when we
shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is
despised and rejected of men; A man of sorrows, and acquainted with
grief: And we hid as it were our faces from him; He was despised, and
we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, And carried our
sorrows: Yet we did esteem him stricken, Smitten of God, and
afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised
for our iniquities: The chastisement of our peace was upon him; And
with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We
have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him
the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, Yet he
opened not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: And
who shall declare his generation? For he was cut off out of the land
of the living: For the transgression of my people was he stricken. And
he made his grave with the wicked, And with the rich in his death;
Because he had done no violence, Neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: When
thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, He shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper
in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be
satisfied: By his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
For he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a
portion with the great, And he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
Because he hath poured out his soul unto death: And he was numbered
with the transgressors; And he bare the sin of many, And made
intercession for the transgressors. (Isaiah 53:1-12)


Notes:

1 "Prophecies about the advent of Prophet Muhammad, peace and
blessings of Allah be upon him, are met with in earlier sacred books
and had great currency among the nations. . . . The Qur’an asserts
that the appearance of the Holy Prophet was foretold by each and all
of the foregoing prophets, through whom the covenant was also made
with their respective peoples that they would accept him when he made
his appearance" (Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad the Prophet [St.
Lambert: Payette and Sims, 1993], p. 22).

2 All Qur’an quotations are taken from the Abdullah Yusuf Ali
translation.

3 Sahih Al-Bukhari, Dr. Muhammad Matraji, tr. (New Delhi: Islamic Book
Service, 2002), Number 2125.

4 Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah (The Life of Muhammad), A. Guillaume,
tr. (New York: Oxford University Press, 1980), pp. 240-241.

5 Ibid., pp. 103-104.

6 Ibid., p. 656.

7 Yusuf Ali, Note 1127. Ali, like many other Muslim commentators,
believes that the Greek Paracletos (comforter, helper, counselor)
should be rendered Pariclytos (which, he claims, is the Greek form of
Ahmad). However, there are more than 5,000 extant Greek manuscripts of
John’s Gospel, and not a single one agrees with Ali’s claim. Muslim
apologists fail to realize that, when a claim is made, evidence is
required. There is simply no justification for the idea that the verse
should read "Periclytos."

8 All Bible quotations are taken from the King James Version, since
this is the version that Muslims typically use in their apologetics.

9 Ahmad Deedat, What the Bible Says About Muhammad (New Dehli: Islamic
Book Service), p. 13.

10 "But (now), when the Truth Has come to them from Ourselves, They
say, ‘Why are not (Signs) sent to him like Those which were sent to
Moses?’ Do they not then reject (The Signs) which were formerly Sent
to Moses?" (Qur’an 28:48). Ibn Ishaq adds: "[Muhammad said]: ‘How
unfortunate is the death of Abu Umama! The Jews and the Arab
hypocrites are sure to say "If he were a prophet his companion would
not die" and (truly) I have no power from God for myself or for my
companion (to avert death)’" (p. 235).

11 Qur'an 3:49.

12 Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad in the Bible, p. 27.

13 Ibid., p. 27.

14 Ibid., pp. 22-23.

15 Ibid., p. 24.

16 Ibid., p. 25.

17 See Jamal Badawi, "Muhammad in the Bible."

18 Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad in the Bible, p. 26.

19 For references, see "Islam Beheaded."

20 For more on this, see "A Bewitched Prophet?"

21 See "A Bewitched Prophet?"

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Muhammad in the Bible?
An Analysis of the Muslim Appeal to Biblical Prophecy

By David Wood

According to many Muslims, the Bible is full of prophecies about
Muhammad.[1] Christian apologists have spent a great deal of time
refuting this claim, but, as the following account will demonstrate,
the Bible does contain clear prophecies about Muhammad. Nevertheless,
the Muslim search for prophecies supporting Islam has been sloppy; as
a result, defenders of Islam have failed to provide a single well-
evidenced example of a Biblical prediction about their prophet. Thus,
after briefly examining the Qur’anic claim to Biblical support, I will
show (1) that the standard Biblical verses used by Muslims to support
this claim are extremely problematic for Islam, and (2) that Christian
apologists are wrong when they claim that the Bible is silent when it
comes to Islam.

The Qur’an expressly states that both the Old and New Testaments
contain references to Muhammad:

Those who follow the Messenger, The unlettered Prophet, Whom they find
mentioned In their own (Scriptures)—In the Law and the Gospel— ... It
is they who will prosper. (Qur’an 7:157)[2]

And remember, Jesus, The son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I
am the messenger of Allah (Sent) to you, confirming The Law (which
came) Before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger To come after
me, Whose name shall be Ahmad [i.e. Muhammad]." (Qur’an 61:6)

Similarly, early Muslim writings suggest that the Bible contains
numerous prophecies about Muhammad:

Ata Ibn Yasar narrated: "I met Abdullah bin Umar bin Amr bin Al-As and
asked him: ‘Tell me about the description of Allah’s Apostle (the
blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) which is mentioned in the
Torah (i.e. Old Testament).’ He replied: ‘Yes, By Allah, he is
described in the Torah with some of the qualities attributed to him in
the Qur’an.’"[3]

I was told the story of Abdullah bin Salam, a learned rabbi, by one of
his family. He said: "When I heard about the apostle I knew by his
description, name, and the time at which he appeared that he was the
one we were waiting for, and I rejoiced greatly thereat. . . . I
emerged and said: ‘O Jews, fear God and accept what He has sent you.
For by God you know that he is the apostle of God. You will find him
described in your Torah and even named.’"[4]

Among the things which have reached me about what Jesus the Son of
Mary stated in the Gospel which he received from God for the followers
of the Gospel, in applying a term to describe the apostle of God, is
the following. It is extracted from what John the Apostle set down for
them when he wrote the Gospel for them from the Testament of Jesus Son
of Mary: "He that hateth me hath hated the Lord. And if I had not done
in their presence works which none other before me did, they had not
had sin: but from now they are puffed up with pride and think that
they will overcome me and also the Lord. But the word that is in the
law must be fulfilled, ‘They hated me without a cause’ (i.e. without
reason). But when the Comforter has come whom God will send to you
from the Lord’s presence, and the spirit of truth which will have gone
forth from the Lord’s presence he (shall bear) witness of me and ye
also, because ye have been with me from the beginning. I have spoken
unto you about this that ye should not be in doubt."[5]

So Heraclius ordered the Roman generals [who were Christians] to
assemble in a room and commanded that the doors should be fastened.
Then he looked down on them from an upper chamber (for he was afraid
of them) and said: "O Romans, I have brought you together for a good
purpose. This man [i.e. Muhammad] has written me a letter summoning me
to his religion. By God, he is truly the prophet whom we expect and
find in our books, so come and let us follow him and believe in him
that it may be well with us in this world and the next."[6]

Recognizing the importance of the Qur’anic assertion that the Bible
contains clear prophecies about Muhammad, Muslims have spent nearly
fourteen centuries trying to find these prophecies. While hundreds of
verses have been suggested as candidates, only a handful are now being
seriously put forward as Biblical references to Muhammad. Of this
handful, two are most common: Moses’ prophecy of a prophet similar to
himself and Jesus’ prediction of the coming "Comforter." Since these
are Islam’s most significant examples of Biblical support for
Muhammad, we shall call these two prophecies the "Major Prophecies."
The remaining, less important ones shall be referred as the "Minor
Prophecies."


The Major Prophecies

In his note on verse 7:157 of the Qur’an, commentator Yusuf Ali offers
the following evidence for the claim that Muhammad is mentioned in
"the Law and the Gospel":

In this verse is a prefiguring, to Moses, of the Arabian Messenger,
the last and greatest of the Messengers of Allah. Prophecies about him
will be found in the Tawrah and the Injil [Gospel]. In the reflex of
the Tawrah as now accepted by the Jews, Moses says: "The Lord thy God
will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy
brethren, like unto me" (Deut. 18:15): the only Prophet who brought a
Shari’ah [Law] like that of Moses was Muhammad al Mustafa, and he came
of the house of Isma’il, the brother of Isaac, the father of Israel.
In the reflex of the Gospel as now accepted by Christians, Christ
promised another Comforter, (John 14:16): the Greek word Paraclete
which the Christians interpret as referring to the Holy Spirit is by
our Doctors taken to be Periclyte, which would be the Greek form of
Ahmad.[7]

Hence, to defend the validity of the Qur’an on this issue, Ali offers
a single prophecy from the Old Testament and another from the New
Testament. Together, these two predictions form the "one-two punch" of
the Argument from Biblical Prophecy. Yet Muslims have to tear both
prophecies out of context in order to make them conform to the Islamic
interpretation. (This is why Islamic books and pamphlets rarely quote
entire passages; to do so would expose the context and would refute
the argument.) A careful analysis reveals the truth about these texts.

The first of the Major Prophecies comes from Deuteronomy, where Moses
predicts the rise of another prophet:

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of
thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
according to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in
the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of
the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I
die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which
they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their
brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he
shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come
to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall
speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:15-19)[8]

Muslims argue that this prophecy could only have been fulfilled by
Muhammad, who, like Moses, was a lawgiver, a prophet, and a military
leader. Further, this Prophet was to come from the brethren of the
Israelites, which must be a reference to the Ishmaelites (Muhammad’s
purported ancestors), for Ishmael was the brother of Isaac, the father
of Israel. These facts, along with other similarities between Muhammad
and Moses, support the identification of "the Prophet" with Muhammad.

If we were to take Deuteronomy 18:15 by itself, completely ignoring
the rest of the book, we might have some reason to agree with the
Muslim apologists on this issue. However, even a cursory examination
of the context of this prophecy demonstrates the flaws in the Islamic
position.

First, the passage says that God will raise up a prophet like Moses,
because the Israelites didn’t want to speak directly with God. The
Israelites said, "Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my
God ... that I die not," and God replied, "They have well spoken that
which they have spoken." Hence, when verse 18:15 is taken in context,
we see that the Jews were asking for a mediator, someone to stand
between them and God just as Moses did. The ultimate fulfillment of
this passage would be someone who stands as a permanent mediator
between God and man. While Muhammad could certainly be viewed as an
intermediary of some sort, the passage seems to fit more comfortably
if the Prophet is Jesus. At best, one could argue that Muhammad was a
link in the chain of transmission from the Qur’an, from Allah, to
Gabriel, to Muhammad, to mankind. But this doesn’t fulfill the
prophecy. Muslims don’t believe in the sort of mediator required by
Deuteronomy 18. In Christianity, however, Jesus is a permanent
mediator: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be
testified in due time" (1 Timothy 2:5-6).

Next, Moses says that God will raise up a prophet "from the midst of
thee." Since he is talking to Israelites, it sounds as if God is
telling them that he will raise up a prophet from the midst of Israel.
In any case, Muhammad surely wasn’t raised up from the midst of Jews.
Jesus, on the other hand, was born and raised in Israel, so the
context again fits more comfortably if Moses is referring to Jesus.

Third, although Muslims often claim that the term "brethren" must
refer to the Ishmaelites, the Book of Deuteronomy shows that this
claim is completely false. To be sure, "brethren" can be used to refer
to people other than the Jews, and it is used in this manner with the
Edomites earlier in Deuteronomy (see 2:4). However, the term
"brethren" is most commonly used when referring to other Israelites:

If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of
thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt
not harden thy heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother.
(Deuteronomy 15:7)

That this verse refers to fellow Israelites is clear from the verses
that follow, for Moses tells his listeners not to ignore the brother
just because the year for canceling debts is near (the year of debt-
cancellation was meant for fellow Israelites).

"Brethren" is also used regarding the selection of a king:

When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will
set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me; thou
shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall
choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee:
thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
(Deuteronomy 17:14-15)

The Jews obviously weren’t being commanded to seek an Arab king here.
Rather, they were commanded to get a king "from among thy brethren,"
meaning a fellow Jew. The term "brethren" is even used as a reference
to other Israelites in Deuteronomy 18, the same chapter from which the
prophecy is taken:

The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part
nor inheritance with Israel: They shall eat the offerings of the LORD
made by fire, and his inheritance. Therefore shall they have no
inheritance among their brethren: the LORD is their inheritance, as he
hath said unto them. (Deuteronomy 18:1-2)

The Levites were to have no inheritance among their brethren (the
other tribes of Israel). This is how chapter 18 begins, and we’re
never given so much as a hint that the meaning of "brethren" has
changed so that, by verse 15, it refers to Ishmaelites. Given this
repeated use of "brethren" to refer to Israelites, it is disturbing to
read Muslim polemics which claim that "Ishmaelites" is the only
possible interpretation of "brethren." Consider, for instance, what
Deedat says about "brethren":

The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like
manner Muhammed is from among the brethren of the Israelites because
he was a descendent of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This is exactly as
the prophecy has it—"FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN". (Deut. 18:18). There
the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be
like Moses, must arise NOT from the "children of Israel" or from
"among themselves", but from among their brethren. MUHAMMAD THEREFORE
WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN![9]

Contrary to what Deedat suggests, Moses’ prophecy doesn’t say that the
prophet must not come from the children of Israel. Indeed, given the
repeated use of "brethren" to refer to Israelites in Deuteronomy
(especially in chapter 18), it is a wonder that anyone would interpret
it otherwise. Deedat is therefore either completely ignorant of how
"brethren" is used in Deuteronomy, or deliberately deceptive towards
his Muslim readers (knowing that few of them will actually examine his
absurd claim).

Fourth, the conclusion of the Book of Deuteronomy tells us how we
should interpret Moses’ phrase "like unto me":

And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses
had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto
him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses. And there arose not a
prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to
face, in all the signs and wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in
the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his
land, and in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which
Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel. (Deuteronomy 34:9-12)

Here the phrase "like unto Moses" suggests a prophet who would speak
with God face to face and perform signs and wonders "in the sight of
all Israel." Muhammad doesn’t fit either of these criteria. He claimed
to have received his revelations from Gabriel, not directly from God,
and he admittedly could not perform miracles.[10] Jesus, however, both
performed miracles (as even the Qur’an acknowledges[11]) and spoke
directly with God:

Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto
you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father
do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son
likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things
that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these,
that ye may marvel. (John 5:19-20)

Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lift up the Son of man, then
shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my
Father hath taught me, I speak these things. (John 8:28)

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave
me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I
know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak
therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. (John 12:49)

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which you
hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. (John 14:24)

Finally, while Muslims appeal to Deuteronomy 18:15-19 as evidence for
their prophet, they would do well to read the next verse, which, when
combined with a certain embarrassing event from Muhammad’s life, turns
out to be proof against the prophet of Islam. In Deuteronomy 18:20,
God declares:

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which
I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of
other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Here God gives us two criteria for recognizing a false prophet: (1) If
a person delivers a revelation which doesn’t come from God, the person
is a false prophet; and (2) if a person speaks in the name of other
gods, the person is a false prophet. Interestingly, Muhammad meets
both criteria, for he delivered the infamous "Satanic Verses" (i.e.
verses he gave to his followers as part of the Qur’an but later
claimed were inspired by Satan). Since these verses did not come from
God, Muhammad meets the first criterion. And since the verses promoted
polytheism, Muhammad meets the second criterion as well. Hence, the
very passage that Muslims claim as their primary Biblical prophecy
about Muhammad turns out to proclaim that Muhammad can’t be a prophet
at all! (For a much fuller treatment of Deuteronomy 18:20 as evidence
against Muhammad, see "The Deuteronomy Deductions.")

True, Moses and Muhammad had some similarities. Nevertheless, when we
examine the context in Deuteronomy, we find that these similarities
count for little. Moses told the Israelites that God would send them
another intercessor; in the New Testament, Jesus is the mediator
between God and man. Moses told the Israelites that God would raise up
a prophet from the midst of them; whereas Jesus was born in Israel,
Muhammad was born in what is now Saudi Arabia. Moses told the
Israelites that the prophet would come from among their "brethren," a
term that is used over and over again to refer to their fellow
Israelites; Jesus was a Jew, yet Muhammad was an Arab. Moses was known
as a miracle worker who spoke directly to God; it is Jesus, not
Muhammad, who was like Moses in these respects. On top of all this,
Deuteronomy 18:20 rules out Muhammad as a prophet.

Of course, Muslims are free to believe that Moses’ prophecy in
Deuteronomy 18 refers to Muhammad. But when they offer this verse as
evidence of Muhammad’s prophethood, the burden of proof of is on them.
Since the major characteristics of the Prophet in Deuteronomy apply
most directly to Jesus, Muslims need to find another Major Prophecy to
sustain the Qur’anic claim to Biblical support.

At this point, Muslims turn to the book of John, where Jesus predicts
the coming "Comforter":

If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and
he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for
ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because
it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he
dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you
comfortless: I will come to you. (John 14:15-18)

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But
the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in
my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:25-26)

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he
shall testify of me: and ye also shall bear witness, because ye have
been with me from the beginning. (John 15:26-27)

Oddly enough, Muslims see these passages as predictions of the coming
of Muhammad. Indeed, after quoting all three passages about the
Comforter, Maulana Muhammad Ali maintains, "All these prophetic words
predict in unequivocal terms the advent of another prophet after
Jesus."[12] Muslims reason that, since the Comforter will not come
unless Jesus returns to the Father, this prophecy cannot possibly be
referring to the Holy Spirit, for the Holy Spirit was already present
in Jesus. Thus, Jesus must have been predicting the rise of another
prophet, and (for some reason) Muhammad is the only possible
candidate. Such a claim is, to say the least, quite baffling to anyone
familiar with John’s Gospel.

First, Muslims draw this prophecy from a book that begins by declaring
that Jesus is God and that he created all things (John 1:1-3). In the
Book of John, Jesus claims to have existed before Abraham (8:58) and
describes himself as the ladder between heaven and earth (1:51; cf.
Genesis 28:10-17). A blind man who receives his sight worships Jesus
(9:35-38), and Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God" (20:28). Jesus
is crucified, dead, buried, and resurrected, events that are at odds
with the Qur’an. Further, in the very chapters to which Muslims appeal
for their predictions about Muhammad, Jesus proclaims that he is the
only way to God (14:6), that anyone who has seen him has seen the
Father (14:9), that he is "in the Father" and that the Father is in
him (14:11), that he can answer prayers (14:14), and that we cannot
bear fruit unless we abide in him (15:4). We might wonder why Muslims
appeal to a book that is so diametrically opposed to Islam. However,
we must remember that Muhammad declared that there are prophecies
about him in the New Testament. Muslims are thus forced into grasping
at anything that will help them vindicate Muhammad’s claim.

Second, the three passages from John repeatedly identify the Comforter
as the Holy Spirit (or the "Spirit of Truth"). Yet Muslims argue that
these verses simply can’t refer to the Holy Spirit:

The terms of the prophecy do not warrant the conclusion that they are
applicable to the Holy Ghost. "If I go not away, the Comforter will
not come unto you" are words too clear to need any comment. The New
Testament says that John was filled with the Holy Ghost even before he
was born. Then it speaks of Jesus himself as receiving the Holy Ghost
in the shape of a dove. Thus the Holy Ghost used to visit men before
the time of Jesus as well as in his own time.[13]

This argument clearly misses the point of Jesus’ prediction. Jesus
acknowledges that the Spirit was already with them: "... for he
dwelleth with you." The prophecy was that the Spirit would be in them
and dwell with them forever. This was something entirely new, and it
was by no means invalidated because the Spirit was already in Jesus.

Third, as we just saw, Jesus says that the Comforter would be with his
disciples forever. In no sense was Muhammad ever with Jesus’
disciples, let alone with them permanently.

Fourth, according to the prophecy, the world cannot receive the
Comforter because it cannot see him. Thousands of people saw Muhammad
during his lifetime, for he was visible. Thus, the invisible Comforter
cannot be the visible Muhammad.

Fifth, Jesus tells the disciples that the Comforter was already with
them. While the Holy Spirit was with Jesus’ disciples, Muhammad wasn’t
born for more than five centuries after this prophecy and therefore
couldn’t have been with them.

Sixth, the Comforter was to be in the disciples. Muhammad is not in
Jesus’ followers and never will be. The Holy Spirit, on the other
hand, filled the believers at Pentecost and has been in Christians
ever since.

Seventh, Jesus said that he would send the Comforter from the Father.
Muslims do not believe that Muhammad was sent by Jesus; they believe
that Muhammad was sent by God. So, unless Muslims are willing to admit
that Jesus is God, they should not accept this as a prophecy about
Muhammad.

Finally, prior to his ascension, Jesus predicted that his followers
would "be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence" (Acts
1:5). The Holy Spirit came to Jesus’ followers shortly after his
ascension to the Father:

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one
accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of
a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were
sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire,
and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy
Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them
utterance. (Acts 2:1-4)

Thus, the fulfillment of this prophecy came within a matter of days.
Muhammad came more than five hundred years later.

Putting all of this together, we see that Muhammad could not have been
the Comforter. He was not with the apostles, he was not in the
apostles, he was not with them forever, he was not invisible, he was
not sent by Jesus, and he did not come quickly, as Jesus said he
would. Yet the Holy Spirit matches this description perfectly. Jesus
identified the Comforter as the Holy Spirit, who was with the
disciples, was in them at Pentecost, was invisible, came quickly, was
sent by Jesus, and has been with Christians for nearly two thousand
years. Given the facts, Muslims who apply these verses to Muhammad
should be ashamed of themselves.


The Minor Prophecies

Although the most popular Muslim prophecies completely fail upon
closer inspection, Muslim apologists have offered a number of other
weaker examples of predictions about Muhammad. They are less common
because, in context, they typically have nothing to do with a coming
prophet or the rise of another religion. Muslims therefore have to
force their own meaning into these prophecies, but they do so at the
expense of their own integrity.

In addition to the prophecies discussed above, Maulana Muhammad Ali
offers three other Biblical prophecies about the rise of Muhammad. Yet
he begins, oddly enough, by quoting some verses from the Qur’an
regarding the coming of a final prophet, and he goes on to argue that
only Muhammad fits the description of the "Messenger" in these verses.
Ali thus quotes verses given by Muhammad as evidence that Muhammad was
the one proclaimed in the verses![14]

After engaging in this bit of circular reasoning, Ali offers a promise
made to Abraham (cleverly combined with a later promise about Ishmael)
as the first prediction of the rise of Islam:

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and
from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will
shew thee: and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless
thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: and I
will curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of
the earth be blessed. (Genesis 12:1-3)

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and
will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve
princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. (Genesis
17:20)

Ali considers this to be the first "prophecy announcing the advent of
the Holy Prophet Muhammad."[15] However, while I quoted the first
passage in context, I left the second passage as it appears in Ali’s
book. Watch what happens when we include the surrounding verses:

And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! And
God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt
call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an
everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as for Ishmael,
I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him
fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he
beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I
establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set
time in the next year. (Genesis 17:18-22)

Hence, to support his case, Ali quotes a promise that God made to
Abraham, then quotes a verse about Ishmael, claiming that it shows
that the promise refers to Ishmael and his descendents (i.e.
Muhammad). Yet, in quoting the verse, he leaves out all the
surrounding material, which states that the covenant was to be made,
not with Ishmael, but with Isaac. Knowing that few of his readers will
be so bold as to actually look up the references he cites, Ali has no
difficulty wrenching this verse from its context, giving it a meaning
far different from the one expressed in Genesis.

Nevertheless, Muslims still argue that this passage predicts the rise
of a nation from Ishmael’s descendents, and that such a prediction can
only refer to the rise of Islam. However, the fulfillment of this
prophecy took place in the Book of Genesis, not twenty-six centuries
later in Mecca:

Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham’s son, whom Hagar
the Egyptian, Sarah’s handmaid, bare unto Abraham: and these are the
names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their
generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and
Adbeel, and Mibsam, and Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, Hadar, and Tema,
Jetur, Naphich, and Kedemah: these are the sons of Ishmael, and these
are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes
according to their nations. (Genesis 25:12-16)

Ali’s second example is Moses’ prediction of a prophet like himself,
which we have already addressed. His third prophecy also comes from
Deuteronomy:

And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the
children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from
Sinai, And rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from mount
Paran, And he came with ten thousands of saints: From his right hand
went a fiery law for them. (Deuteronomy 33:1-2)

Notice that this passage says nothing about prophets. It is a
description of God’s victory in bringing the Israelites into the Holy
Land. God was with them as they passed Sinai, Seir, and Paran. Indeed,
the language used by Moses to describe God’s help is common in the Old
Testament:

LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, When thou marchedst out of the
field of Edom, The earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, The clouds
also dropped water. The mountains melted from before the LORD, Even
that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel. (Judges 5:4-5)

O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, When thou didst
march through the wilderness; Selah. The earth shook, the heavens also
dropped At the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved At the
presence of God, the God of Israel. ... The chariots of God are twenty
thousand, even thousands of angels: The Lord is among them, as in
Sinai, in the holy place. (Psalm 68:7-8, 17)

Yet Muslim apologists claim that Moses’ words at the beginning of his
blessing aren’t a description of God’s victory; instead, they are a
prediction of three great prophets. Ali argues:

"Coming from Sinai" refers to the appearance of Moses, while "rising
up from Seir" refers to the conquest of Seir by David. Now Paran is
admittedly the ancient name for the land of Hijaz, where arose
Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) from among the
descendents of Ishmael.[16]

Most Muslim commentators, however, believe that "Seir" refers to the
prophethood of Jesus, not to the conquest of Seir by King David. Thus
Badawi claims:

Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.
It speaks of God (i.e. God’s revelation) coming from Sinai, rising
from Seir (probably the village of Sa’ir near Jerusalem) and shining
forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran
was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).
[17]

These interpretations are fraught with difficulties. Moses’ blessing
begins by saying that the LORD (not the prophets) came from Sinai,
rose up from Seir, and shined forth from Mount Paran. To say that this
really refers to prophets requires an unjustified leap of
interpretation, especially since similar language is used elsewhere in
the Old Testament to describe God’s victories over Israel’s enemies.
Further, while God gave a revelation at Sinai, the Muslim
interpretations of "Seir" are problematic. Ali holds that it refers to
David’s conquest of Seir, but what does this have to do with the rise
of a prophet or the giving of revelation? Badawi says that the
reference to Seir probably refers to the village of Sa’ir near
Jerusalem. But this view is preposterous. The Pentateuch mentions Seir
numerous times as the place where the Edomites settled, and the same
word is used in Deuteronomy 33. Needless to say, the Edomites didn’t
settle in the village of Sa’ir near Jerusalem, which makes it
impossible to link Jesus to Seir. Additionally, Paran (near Mecca,
according to Muslims) is also mentioned several time in the Torah:

And the children of Israel took their journeys out of the wilderness
of Sinai; and the cloud [i.e. the glory of the LORD] rested in the
wilderness of Paran. (Numbers 10:12)

And afterward the people removed from Hazeroth, and pitched in the
wilderness of Paran. (Numbers 12:16)

And Moses by the commandment of the LORD sent them from the wilderness
of Paran: all those men were heads of the children of Israel. (Numbers
13:3)

And they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the
congregation of the children of Israel, unto the wilderness of Paran,
to Kadesh; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the
congregation, and shewed them the fruit of the land. (Numbers 13:26)

These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side
Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea,
between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.
(Deuteronomy 1:1)

Mount Paran is in northwestern Sinai, a great distance from Mecca.
However, even if Paran were the land of Muhammad, as Badawi claims,
the Torah would simply be telling us that the Israelites spent time
there during their flight from Egypt, and that the fiery pillar of the
glory of God rested there for a time. It makes sense, then, to think
that Moses’ report that the LORD "shined forth from mount Paran"
refers to the LORD literally shining forth from Mount Paran, not to
Muhammad figuratively shining forth with the Qur’an in Mecca.

Ali’s final prophecy (other than Jesus’ prediction of the coming
Comforter) is taken from Isaiah:

The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye
traveling companies of Dedanim. The inhabitants of the land of Tema
brought water to him that was thirsty, They prevented with their bread
him that fled. For they fled from the swords, From the drawn sword,
and from the bent bow, And from the grievousness of war. (Isaiah
21:13-15)

According to Ali, this "burden upon Arabia" is a clear prophecy about
Muhammad:

In the first place the word "Arabia" is by itself significant enough.
Then the mention of one who fled sheds still further light on the
object of the prophecy. The history of the world records but one such
flight that has won the importance of a red-letter event—the flight of
the Holy Prophet Muhammad from Makkah. ... A yet clearer testimony,
however, is contained in the words, "he fled from drawn swords."
History confirms that the Holy Prophet Muhammad fled from Makkah while
his house was still surrounded by blood-thirsty enemies with drawn
swords ready to fall upon him in a body as soon as he came out. ...
These two authoritative facts of history, supplemented by a direct
mention of the land of Arabia as the birth-place of the Promised
Prophet, furnished an indisputable clue that the prophecy refers to
the Holy Prophet Muhammad.[18]

Before we agree with Ali that this prophecy is "indisputable," perhaps
we should read the next two verses, which he conveniently leaves out
of his quotation:

For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the
years of a hireling, And all the glory of Kedar shall fail: And the
residue of the number of archers, The mighty men of the children of
Kedar, shall be diminished: For the LORD God of Israel hath spoken it.
(Isaiah 21:16-17)

The verses that Ali omits provide a timeframe for when the prophecy
was to be fulfilled. The fulfillment was to take place within a year
of the prophecy! While we cannot be certain when the prophecy was
made, we know that Isaiah wrote during the expansion of the Assyrian
empire, and that the Assyrians began invading Arabia in 732 B.C.
Further, the inhabitants of Tema lived approximately four hundred
miles north of Mecca, so it is difficult to imagine how the prophecy
could apply to Muhammad’s flight from Mecca. It seems most reasonable,
then, to conclude that Isaiah prophesied about the Assyrian empire’s
attacks on Arabia that occurred during his own lifetime, not about
Muhammad’s flight from Mecca more than a thousand years later.

This concludes Ali’s evidence that the Bible speaks about Muhammad.
Other Muslim apologists offer a few additional prophecies, but they
all suffer from the same problems. After examining five Biblical
"prophecies" about Muhammad, we can see that the method Muslims use in
their Argument from Biblical Prophecy consists of the following steps:

Step One: Find any verse in the Bible that can be interpreted, by a
stretch of the imagination, as a prophecy about Muhammad;

Step Two: Wrench the verse from its context, ignoring the verses that
precede it and those that follow;

Step Three: Ignore all obvious, common-sensical interpretations of the
prophecy, especially those that were fulfilled shortly after the
prophecy was given;

Step Four: Popularize the prophecy and the Muslim interpretation in
books, pamphlets, sermons, and internet articles, knowing that few
people will ever critically examine the passage.

While such a method appears detestable to the uninitiated, it comes
quite naturally to many Muslim apologists. Nevertheless, it isn’t
really their fault. Muhammad claimed that the Bible is full of
prophecies about the rise of Islam, so Muslims are doing their best to
find those prophecies. They’ve spent nearly fourteen centuries
searching for at least two unambiguous predictions (one from the Old
Testament and one from the New Testament), yet all their attempts have
failed. This presents an enormous problem for Islam, for this lack of
Biblical support leads to a devastating conclusion. Since Muhammad
claimed that the Bible predicts the rise of Islam, the following
syllogism refutes Muhammad’s prophethood:

Premise One: If Muhammad was a true prophet, the Bible must contain
numerous clear prophecies about him (for this is what he claimed).

Premise Two: There are no clear prophecies about Muhammad in the
Bible.

Conclusion: Therefore, Muhammad was not a true prophet.

Of course, this means that the Muslim search for Biblical support has
actually backfired and shown the religion to be false. However, such a
conclusion may be too hasty, for, in reality, the Bible does contain
prophecies about Muhammad. Muslims have simply overlooked them.


The True Prophecies

Consider the following passages drawn from the New Testament:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but
inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16)

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. And then
shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate
one another. And many false prophets shall arise, and shall deceive
many. (Matthew 24:9-11)

And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be
according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall
depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines
of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared
with a hot iron. (1 Timothy 4:1-2)

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but
after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having
itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and
shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

These verses need not be applied solely to Muhammad. Yet, without a
doubt, Muhammad is a fulfillment of many New Testament prophecies.
First, Jesus said that false prophets come in sheep’s clothing, but
are actually ravening wolves. Muhammad fits this criterion better than
anyone else in history. He convinced his followers that he was the
greatest moral example in history, yet he murdered countless people,
took part in the slave trade, allowed husbands to beat their wives,
allowed his men to have sex with their female slaves, had at least
nine wives at one time, admittedly proclaimed verses from Satan, and
had sex with a nine-year-old girl.[19] If Muhammad doesn’t fulfill
Jesus’ prophecy, then who does?

Next, Jesus said that false prophets would arise, and that they would
deceive many. There are currently more than a billion Muslims in the
world, and Islam is one of the world’s fastest growing religions. This
means that Muhammad is the greatest false prophet of all time, and the
most obvious fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy.

Third, the Apostle Paul said that Satan masquerades as an angel of
light. If Muhammad had been aware of this, perhaps he would have
trusted his first instinct when a spirit claiming to be Gabriel
suddenly appeared to him. (Muhammad’s first impression of his
revelations was that he was under demonic attack.[20]) This is a clear
fulfillment of Paul’s words.

Fourth, Paul said that people would give heed to "seducing spirits"
and "doctrines of devils." Muhammad’s infamous "Satanic Verses"
provide a striking example of this. The Prophet of Islam received
revelations saying that it was okay for his followers to pray to gods
besides Allah. Later, he claimed that Satan had put those words on his
lips.[21] Muhammad was therefore seduced by the doctrines of Satan,
just as Paul predicted.

Fifth, Paul predicted that a time would come when people would not
listen to sound doctrine. Instead, they would turn their ears away
from the truth and listen to fables. An application of this prophecy
can be made to Muslims today. While there are many Muslims who seek
the truth, there are also many who don’t seem to care where the
evidence points. Instead of acknowledging that Islam is an untenable
religion, they go to teachers like Jamal Badawi and Shabir Ally, who
tell them what they want to hear.

These prophecies may all be applied to Muhammad and to Islam. Thus,
when Muhammad claimed that other messengers of God had prophesied
about him, he was correct. The problem is that these messengers
predicted the rise of false prophets, not the rise of a new religion
after Christianity. Tragically, most people haven’t heeded the
warnings of the prophets. To this day, many even reject the words of
Christ. Yet when a man rises from the dead, vindicated by God,
everyone should listen to what he says. And when this risen man tells
us that false prophets will come, we should probably be suspicious of
anyone claiming to be a prophet—especially one with Muhammad’s
character flaws. Indeed, in addition to his other flaws, Muhammad is
guilty rejecting one of the clearest prophecies in history, a prophecy
about the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth:

Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the LORD
revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, And as a
root out of a dry ground: He hath no form nor comeliness; And when we
shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is
despised and rejected of men; A man of sorrows, and acquainted with
grief: And we hid as it were our faces from him; He was despised, and
we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, And carried our
sorrows: Yet we did esteem him stricken, Smitten of God, and
afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised
for our iniquities: The chastisement of our peace was upon him; And
with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We
have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him
the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, Yet he
opened not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: And
who shall declare his generation? For he was cut off out of the land
of the living: For the transgression of my people was he stricken. And
he made his grave with the wicked, And with the rich in his death;
Because he had done no violence, Neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: When
thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, He shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper
in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be
satisfied: By his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
For he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a
portion with the great, And he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
Because he hath poured out his soul unto death: And he was numbered
with the transgressors; And he bare the sin of many, And made
intercession for the transgressors. (Isaiah 53:1-12)


Notes:

1 "Prophecies about the advent of Prophet Muhammad, peace and
blessings of Allah be upon him, are met with in earlier sacred books
and had great currency among the nations. . . . The Qur’an asserts
that the appearance of the Holy Prophet was foretold by each and all
of the foregoing prophets, through whom the covenant was also made
with their respective peoples that they would accept him when he made
his appearance" (Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad the Prophet [St.
Lambert: Payette and Sims, 1993], p. 22).

2 All Qur’an quotations are taken from the Abdullah Yusuf Ali
translation.

3 Sahih Al-Bukhari, Dr. Muhammad Matraji, tr. (New Delhi: Islamic Book
Service, 2002), Number 2125.

4 Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah (The Life of Muhammad), A. Guillaume,
tr. (New York: Oxford University Press, 1980), pp. 240-241.

5 Ibid., pp. 103-104.

6 Ibid., p. 656.

7 Yusuf Ali, Note 1127. Ali, like many other Muslim commentators,
believes that the Greek Paracletos (comforter, helper, counselor)
should be rendered Pariclytos (which, he claims, is the Greek form of
Ahmad). However, there are more than 5,000 extant Greek manuscripts of
John’s Gospel, and not a single one agrees with Ali’s claim. Muslim
apologists fail to realize that, when a claim is made, evidence is
required. There is simply no justification for the idea that the verse
should read "Periclytos."

8 All Bible quotations are taken from the King James Version, since
this is the version that Muslims typically use in their apologetics.

9 Ahmad Deedat, What the Bible Says About Muhammad (New Dehli: Islamic
Book Service), p. 13.

10 "But (now), when the Truth Has come to them from Ourselves, They
say, ‘Why are not (Signs) sent to him like Those which were sent to
Moses?’ Do they not then reject (The Signs) which were formerly Sent
to Moses?" (Qur’an 28:48). Ibn Ishaq adds: "[Muhammad said]: ‘How
unfortunate is the death of Abu Umama! The Jews and the Arab
hypocrites are sure to say "If he were a prophet his companion would
not die" and (truly) I have no power from God for myself or for my
companion (to avert death)’" (p. 235).

11 Qur'an 3:49.

12 Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad in the Bible, p. 27.

13 Ibid., p. 27.

14 Ibid., pp. 22-23.

15 Ibid., p. 24.

16 Ibid., p. 25.

17 See Jamal Badawi, "Muhammad in the Bible."

18 Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad in the Bible, p. 26.

19 For references, see "Islam Beheaded."

20 For more on this, see "A Bewitched Prophet?"

21 See "A Bewitched Prophet?"

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هذا رد المبشر إلي يدعوني للمسيحيه في المشاركه رقم 30

My dear friend,

I am delighted to hear back from you.

As I shared in my email the other day, I can help you be with our Creator God and He will gladly prove that the one known as Jesus is Himself in human form. So, let us not be concerned with Jesus, Mohammad, or Moses, the Bible or the Kuran at this time. We will let God Himself reveal the way He wishes to be known to those who earnestly seek Him. Isn’t it wonderful that we can have such a wonderful opportunity to know God experientially, so intimately, that He teaches us and brings us to all that is true? Yes, He wants to be our teacher.

We need only adopt certain attitudes that any reasoning man can know that God requires. Honesty, Open-mindedness, Faith, trust, willingness, and most of all to desire a life of Love and Service to Him and for Him. Then we can be relatively happy in this life and know perfect happiness in the next.

God challenges each of us to seek Him and rewards each of us individually when we sincerely do. He does not desire a blind faith; but rather, a faith based on reasoned thought and experimental experience with Him. A new-born baby does not know its parents, but over time with experience it knows the one it has sensed but now can understand. So it is with a true seeker of our God.

I will be happy to share the simple steps we need to take to arrive at the throne of God and if you thoroughly follow this path the promises of God will be yours. This is a private and intimate experience between a man and His God just as it is between two loving individuals. So we need not concern ourselves with others at this point. It is a private affair

So, dear friend, when you are ready to meet the One we know exists and desire to know Him as your loving God and be as close with Him as you choose to commit yourself. Just let me know and I will walk with you step by step. It is not about religion, but about Reality and Spiritual Experience.

Your friend,
Barry



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Muhammad in the Bible?
An Analysis of the Muslim Appeal to Biblical Prophecy

By David Wood

According to many Muslims, the Bible is full of prophecies about
Muhammad.[1] Christian apologists have spent a great deal of time
refuting this claim, but, as the following account will demonstrate,
the Bible does contain clear prophecies about Muhammad. Nevertheless,
the Muslim search for prophecies supporting Islam has been sloppy; as
a result, defenders of Islam have failed to provide a single well-
evidenced example of a Biblical prediction about their prophet. Thus,
after briefly examining the Qur’anic claim to Biblical support, I will
show (1) that the standard Biblical verses used by Muslims to support
this claim are extremely problematic for Islam, and (2) that Christian
apologists are wrong when they claim that the Bible is silent when it
comes to Islam.

The Qur’an expressly states that both the Old and New Testaments
contain references to Muhammad:

Those who follow the Messenger, The unlettered Prophet, Whom they find
mentioned In their own (Scriptures)—In the Law and the Gospel— ... It
is they who will prosper. (Qur’an 7:157)[2]

And remember, Jesus, The son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I
am the messenger of Allah (Sent) to you, confirming The Law (which
came) Before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger To come after
me, Whose name shall be Ahmad [i.e. Muhammad]." (Qur’an 61:6)

Similarly, early Muslim writings suggest that the Bible contains
numerous prophecies about Muhammad:

Ata Ibn Yasar narrated: "I met Abdullah bin Umar bin Amr bin Al-As and
asked him: ‘Tell me about the description of Allah’s Apostle (the
blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) which is mentioned in the
Torah (i.e. Old Testament).’ He replied: ‘Yes, By Allah, he is
described in the Torah with some of the qualities attributed to him in
the Qur’an.’"[3]

I was told the story of Abdullah bin Salam, a learned rabbi, by one of
his family. He said: "When I heard about the apostle I knew by his
description, name, and the time at which he appeared that he was the
one we were waiting for, and I rejoiced greatly thereat. . . . I
emerged and said: ‘O Jews, fear God and accept what He has sent you.
For by God you know that he is the apostle of God. You will find him
described in your Torah and even named.’"[4]

Among the things which have reached me about what Jesus the Son of
Mary stated in the Gospel which he received from God for the followers
of the Gospel, in applying a term to describe the apostle of God, is
the following. It is extracted from what John the Apostle set down for
them when he wrote the Gospel for them from the Testament of Jesus Son
of Mary: "He that hateth me hath hated the Lord. And if I had not done
in their presence works which none other before me did, they had not
had sin: but from now they are puffed up with pride and think that
they will overcome me and also the Lord. But the word that is in the
law must be fulfilled, ‘They hated me without a cause’ (i.e. without
reason). But when the Comforter has come whom God will send to you
from the Lord’s presence, and the spirit of truth which will have gone
forth from the Lord’s presence he (shall bear) witness of me and ye
also, because ye have been with me from the beginning. I have spoken
unto you about this that ye should not be in doubt."[5]

So Heraclius ordered the Roman generals [who were Christians] to
assemble in a room and commanded that the doors should be fastened.
Then he looked down on them from an upper chamber (for he was afraid
of them) and said: "O Romans, I have brought you together for a good
purpose. This man [i.e. Muhammad] has written me a letter summoning me
to his religion. By God, he is truly the prophet whom we expect and
find in our books, so come and let us follow him and believe in him
that it may be well with us in this world and the next."[6]

Recognizing the importance of the Qur’anic assertion that the Bible
contains clear prophecies about Muhammad, Muslims have spent nearly
fourteen centuries trying to find these prophecies. While hundreds of
verses have been suggested as candidates, only a handful are now being
seriously put forward as Biblical references to Muhammad. Of this
handful, two are most common: Moses’ prophecy of a prophet similar to
himself and Jesus’ prediction of the coming "Comforter." Since these
are Islam’s most significant examples of Biblical support for
Muhammad, we shall call these two prophecies the "Major Prophecies."
The remaining, less important ones shall be referred as the "Minor
Prophecies."


The Major Prophecies

In his note on verse 7:157 of the Qur’an, commentator Yusuf Ali offers
the following evidence for the claim that Muhammad is mentioned in
"the Law and the Gospel":

In this verse is a prefiguring, to Moses, of the Arabian Messenger,
the last and greatest of the Messengers of Allah. Prophecies about him
will be found in the Tawrah and the Injil [Gospel]. In the reflex of
the Tawrah as now accepted by the Jews, Moses says: "The Lord thy God
will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy
brethren, like unto me" (Deut. 18:15): the only Prophet who brought a
Shari’ah [Law] like that of Moses was Muhammad al Mustafa, and he came
of the house of Isma’il, the brother of Isaac, the father of Israel.
In the reflex of the Gospel as now accepted by Christians, Christ
promised another Comforter, (John 14:16): the Greek word Paraclete
which the Christians interpret as referring to the Holy Spirit is by
our Doctors taken to be Periclyte, which would be the Greek form of
Ahmad.[7]

Hence, to defend the validity of the Qur’an on this issue, Ali offers
a single prophecy from the Old Testament and another from the New
Testament. Together, these two predictions form the "one-two punch" of
the Argument from Biblical Prophecy. Yet Muslims have to tear both
prophecies out of context in order to make them conform to the Islamic
interpretation. (This is why Islamic books and pamphlets rarely quote
entire passages; to do so would expose the context and would refute
the argument.) A careful analysis reveals the truth about these texts.

The first of the Major Prophecies comes from Deuteronomy, where Moses
predicts the rise of another prophet:

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of
thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
according to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in
the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of
the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I
die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which
they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their
brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he
shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come
to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall
speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:15-19)[8]

Muslims argue that this prophecy could only have been fulfilled by
Muhammad, who, like Moses, was a lawgiver, a prophet, and a military
leader. Further, this Prophet was to come from the brethren of the
Israelites, which must be a reference to the Ishmaelites (Muhammad’s
purported ancestors), for Ishmael was the brother of Isaac, the father
of Israel. These facts, along with other similarities between Muhammad
and Moses, support the identification of "the Prophet" with Muhammad.

If we were to take Deuteronomy 18:15 by itself, completely ignoring
the rest of the book, we might have some reason to agree with the
Muslim apologists on this issue. However, even a cursory examination
of the context of this prophecy demonstrates the flaws in the Islamic
position.

First, the passage says that God will raise up a prophet like Moses,
because the Israelites didn’t want to speak directly with God. The
Israelites said, "Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my
God ... that I die not," and God replied, "They have well spoken that
which they have spoken." Hence, when verse 18:15 is taken in context,
we see that the Jews were asking for a mediator, someone to stand
between them and God just as Moses did. The ultimate fulfillment of
this passage would be someone who stands as a permanent mediator
between God and man. While Muhammad could certainly be viewed as an
intermediary of some sort, the passage seems to fit more comfortably
if the Prophet is Jesus. At best, one could argue that Muhammad was a
link in the chain of transmission from the Qur’an, from Allah, to
Gabriel, to Muhammad, to mankind. But this doesn’t fulfill the
prophecy. Muslims don’t believe in the sort of mediator required by
Deuteronomy 18. In Christianity, however, Jesus is a permanent
mediator: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be
testified in due time" (1 Timothy 2:5-6).

Next, Moses says that God will raise up a prophet "from the midst of
thee." Since he is talking to Israelites, it sounds as if God is
telling them that he will raise up a prophet from the midst of Israel.
In any case, Muhammad surely wasn’t raised up from the midst of Jews.
Jesus, on the other hand, was born and raised in Israel, so the
context again fits more comfortably if Moses is referring to Jesus.

Third, although Muslims often claim that the term "brethren" must
refer to the Ishmaelites, the Book of Deuteronomy shows that this
claim is completely false. To be sure, "brethren" can be used to refer
to people other than the Jews, and it is used in this manner with the
Edomites earlier in Deuteronomy (see 2:4). However, the term
"brethren" is most commonly used when referring to other Israelites:

If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of
thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt
not harden thy heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother.
(Deuteronomy 15:7)

That this verse refers to fellow Israelites is clear from the verses
that follow, for Moses tells his listeners not to ignore the brother
just because the year for canceling debts is near (the year of debt-
cancellation was meant for fellow Israelites).

"Brethren" is also used regarding the selection of a king:

When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will
set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me; thou
shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall
choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee:
thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
(Deuteronomy 17:14-15)

The Jews obviously weren’t being commanded to seek an Arab king here.
Rather, they were commanded to get a king "from among thy brethren,"
meaning a fellow Jew. The term "brethren" is even used as a reference
to other Israelites in Deuteronomy 18, the same chapter from which the
prophecy is taken:

The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part
nor inheritance with Israel: They shall eat the offerings of the LORD
made by fire, and his inheritance. Therefore shall they have no
inheritance among their brethren: the LORD is their inheritance, as he
hath said unto them. (Deuteronomy 18:1-2)

The Levites were to have no inheritance among their brethren (the
other tribes of Israel). This is how chapter 18 begins, and we’re
never given so much as a hint that the meaning of "brethren" has
changed so that, by verse 15, it refers to Ishmaelites. Given this
repeated use of "brethren" to refer to Israelites, it is disturbing to
read Muslim polemics which claim that "Ishmaelites" is the only
possible interpretation of "brethren." Consider, for instance, what
Deedat says about "brethren":

The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like
manner Muhammed is from among the brethren of the Israelites because
he was a descendent of Ishmael the son of Abraham. This is exactly as
the prophecy has it—"FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN". (Deut. 18:18). There
the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be
like Moses, must arise NOT from the "children of Israel" or from
"among themselves", but from among their brethren. MUHAMMAD THEREFORE
WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN![9]

Contrary to what Deedat suggests, Moses’ prophecy doesn’t say that the
prophet must not come from the children of Israel. Indeed, given the
repeated use of "brethren" to refer to Israelites in Deuteronomy
(especially in chapter 18), it is a wonder that anyone would interpret
it otherwise. Deedat is therefore either completely ignorant of how
"brethren" is used in Deuteronomy, or deliberately deceptive towards
his Muslim readers (knowing that few of them will actually examine his
absurd claim).

Fourth, the conclusion of the Book of Deuteronomy tells us how we
should interpret Moses’ phrase "like unto me":

And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses
had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto
him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses. And there arose not a
prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to
face, in all the signs and wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in
the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his
land, and in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which
Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel. (Deuteronomy 34:9-12)

Here the phrase "like unto Moses" suggests a prophet who would speak
with God face to face and perform signs and wonders "in the sight of
all Israel." Muhammad doesn’t fit either of these criteria. He claimed
to have received his revelations from Gabriel, not directly from God,
and he admittedly could not perform miracles.[10] Jesus, however, both
performed miracles (as even the Qur’an acknowledges[11]) and spoke
directly with God:

Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto
you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father
do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son
likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things
that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these,
that ye may marvel. (John 5:19-20)

Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lift up the Son of man, then
shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my
Father hath taught me, I speak these things. (John 8:28)

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave
me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I
know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak
therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. (John 12:49)

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which you
hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. (John 14:24)

Finally, while Muslims appeal to Deuteronomy 18:15-19 as evidence for
their prophet, they would do well to read the next verse, which, when
combined with a certain embarrassing event from Muhammad’s life, turns
out to be proof against the prophet of Islam. In Deuteronomy 18:20,
God declares:

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which
I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of
other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Here God gives us two criteria for recognizing a false prophet: (1) If
a person delivers a revelation which doesn’t come from God, the person
is a false prophet; and (2) if a person speaks in the name of other
gods, the person is a false prophet. Interestingly, Muhammad meets
both criteria, for he delivered the infamous "Satanic Verses" (i.e.
verses he gave to his followers as part of the Qur’an but later
claimed were inspired by Satan). Since these verses did not come from
God, Muhammad meets the first criterion. And since the verses promoted
polytheism, Muhammad meets the second criterion as well. Hence, the
very passage that Muslims claim as their primary Biblical prophecy
about Muhammad turns out to proclaim that Muhammad can’t be a prophet
at all! (For a much fuller treatment of Deuteronomy 18:20 as evidence
against Muhammad, see "The Deuteronomy Deductions.")

True, Moses and Muhammad had some similarities. Nevertheless, when we
examine the context in Deuteronomy, we find that these similarities
count for little. Moses told the Israelites that God would send them
another intercessor; in the New Testament, Jesus is the mediator
between God and man. Moses told the Israelites that God would raise up
a prophet from the midst of them; whereas Jesus was born in Israel,
Muhammad was born in what is now Saudi Arabia. Moses told the
Israelites that the prophet would come from among their "brethren," a
term that is used over and over again to refer to their fellow
Israelites; Jesus was a Jew, yet Muhammad was an Arab. Moses was known
as a miracle worker who spoke directly to God; it is Jesus, not
Muhammad, who was like Moses in these respects. On top of all this,
Deuteronomy 18:20 rules out Muhammad as a prophet.

Of course, Muslims are free to believe that Moses’ prophecy in
Deuteronomy 18 refers to Muhammad. But when they offer this verse as
evidence of Muhammad’s prophethood, the burden of proof of is on them.
Since the major characteristics of the Prophet in Deuteronomy apply
most directly to Jesus, Muslims need to find another Major Prophecy to
sustain the Qur’anic claim to Biblical support.

At this point, Muslims turn to the book of John, where Jesus predicts
the coming "Comforter":

If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and
he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for
ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because
it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he
dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you
comfortless: I will come to you. (John 14:15-18)

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But
the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in
my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:25-26)

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he
shall testify of me: and ye also shall bear witness, because ye have
been with me from the beginning. (John 15:26-27)

Oddly enough, Muslims see these passages as predictions of the coming
of Muhammad. Indeed, after quoting all three passages about the
Comforter, Maulana Muhammad Ali maintains, "All these prophetic words
predict in unequivocal terms the advent of another prophet after
Jesus."[12] Muslims reason that, since the Comforter will not come
unless Jesus returns to the Father, this prophecy cannot possibly be
referring to the Holy Spirit, for the Holy Spirit was already present
in Jesus. Thus, Jesus must have been predicting the rise of another
prophet, and (for some reason) Muhammad is the only possible
candidate. Such a claim is, to say the least, quite baffling to anyone
familiar with John’s Gospel.

First, Muslims draw this prophecy from a book that begins by declaring
that Jesus is God and that he created all things (John 1:1-3). In the
Book of John, Jesus claims to have existed before Abraham (8:58) and
describes himself as the ladder between heaven and earth (1:51; cf.
Genesis 28:10-17). A blind man who receives his sight worships Jesus
(9:35-38), and Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God" (20:28). Jesus
is crucified, dead, buried, and resurrected, events that are at odds
with the Qur’an. Further, in the very chapters to which Muslims appeal
for their predictions about Muhammad, Jesus proclaims that he is the
only way to God (14:6), that anyone who has seen him has seen the
Father (14:9), that he is "in the Father" and that the Father is in
him (14:11), that he can answer prayers (14:14), and that we cannot
bear fruit unless we abide in him (15:4). We might wonder why Muslims
appeal to a book that is so diametrically opposed to Islam. However,
we must remember that Muhammad declared that there are prophecies
about him in the New Testament. Muslims are thus forced into grasping
at anything that will help them vindicate Muhammad’s claim.

Second, the three passages from John repeatedly identify the Comforter
as the Holy Spirit (or the "Spirit of Truth"). Yet Muslims argue that
these verses simply can’t refer to the Holy Spirit:

The terms of the prophecy do not warrant the conclusion that they are
applicable to the Holy Ghost. "If I go not away, the Comforter will
not come unto you" are words too clear to need any comment. The New
Testament says that John was filled with the Holy Ghost even before he
was born. Then it speaks of Jesus himself as receiving the Holy Ghost
in the shape of a dove. Thus the Holy Ghost used to visit men before
the time of Jesus as well as in his own time.[13]

This argument clearly misses the point of Jesus’ prediction. Jesus
acknowledges that the Spirit was already with them: "... for he
dwelleth with you." The prophecy was that the Spirit would be in them
and dwell with them forever. This was something entirely new, and it
was by no means invalidated because the Spirit was already in Jesus.

Third, as we just saw, Jesus says that the Comforter would be with his
disciples forever. In no sense was Muhammad ever with Jesus’
disciples, let alone with them permanently.

Fourth, according to the prophecy, the world cannot receive the
Comforter because it cannot see him. Thousands of people saw Muhammad
during his lifetime, for he was visible. Thus, the invisible Comforter
cannot be the visible Muhammad.

Fifth, Jesus tells the disciples that the Comforter was already with
them. While the Holy Spirit was with Jesus’ disciples, Muhammad wasn’t
born for more than five centuries after this prophecy and therefore
couldn’t have been with them.

Sixth, the Comforter was to be in the disciples. Muhammad is not in
Jesus’ followers and never will be. The Holy Spirit, on the other
hand, filled the believers at Pentecost and has been in Christians
ever since.

Seventh, Jesus said that he would send the Comforter from the Father.
Muslims do not believe that Muhammad was sent by Jesus; they believe
that Muhammad was sent by God. So, unless Muslims are willing to admit
that Jesus is God, they should not accept this as a prophecy about
Muhammad.

Finally, prior to his ascension, Jesus predicted that his followers
would "be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence" (Acts
1:5). The Holy Spirit came to Jesus’ followers shortly after his
ascension to the Father:

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one
accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of
a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were
sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire,
and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy
Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them
utterance. (Acts 2:1-4)

Thus, the fulfillment of this prophecy came within a matter of days.
Muhammad came more than five hundred years later.

Putting all of this together, we see that Muhammad could not have been
the Comforter. He was not with the apostles, he was not in the
apostles, he was not with them forever, he was not invisible, he was
not sent by Jesus, and he did not come quickly, as Jesus said he
would. Yet the Holy Spirit matches this description perfectly. Jesus
identified the Comforter as the Holy Spirit, who was with the
disciples, was in them at Pentecost, was invisible, came quickly, was
sent by Jesus, and has been with Christians for nearly two thousand
years. Given the facts, Muslims who apply these verses to Muhammad
should be ashamed of themselves.


The Minor Prophecies

Although the most popular Muslim prophecies completely fail upon
closer inspection, Muslim apologists have offered a number of other
weaker examples of predictions about Muhammad. They are less common
because, in context, they typically have nothing to do with a coming
prophet or the rise of another religion. Muslims therefore have to
force their own meaning into these prophecies, but they do so at the
expense of their own integrity.

In addition to the prophecies discussed above, Maulana Muhammad Ali
offers three other Biblical prophecies about the rise of Muhammad. Yet
he begins, oddly enough, by quoting some verses from the Qur’an
regarding the coming of a final prophet, and he goes on to argue that
only Muhammad fits the description of the "Messenger" in these verses.
Ali thus quotes verses given by Muhammad as evidence that Muhammad was
the one proclaimed in the verses![14]

After engaging in this bit of circular reasoning, Ali offers a promise
made to Abraham (cleverly combined with a later promise about Ishmael)
as the first prediction of the rise of Islam:

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and
from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will
shew thee: and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless
thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: and I
will curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of
the earth be blessed. (Genesis 12:1-3)

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and
will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve
princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. (Genesis
17:20)

Ali considers this to be the first "prophecy announcing the advent of
the Holy Prophet Muhammad."[15] However, while I quoted the first
passage in context, I left the second passage as it appears in Ali’s
book. Watch what happens when we include the surrounding verses:

And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! And
God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt
call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an
everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as for Ishmael,
I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him
fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he
beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I
establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set
time in the next year. (Genesis 17:18-22)

Hence, to support his case, Ali quotes a promise that God made to
Abraham, then quotes a verse about Ishmael, claiming that it shows
that the promise refers to Ishmael and his descendents (i.e.
Muhammad). Yet, in quoting the verse, he leaves out all the
surrounding material, which states that the covenant was to be made,
not with Ishmael, but with Isaac. Knowing that few of his readers will
be so bold as to actually look up the references he cites, Ali has no
difficulty wrenching this verse from its context, giving it a meaning
far different from the one expressed in Genesis.

Nevertheless, Muslims still argue that this passage predicts the rise
of a nation from Ishmael’s descendents, and that such a prediction can
only refer to the rise of Islam. However, the fulfillment of this
prophecy took place in the Book of Genesis, not twenty-six centuries
later in Mecca:

Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham’s son, whom Hagar
the Egyptian, Sarah’s handmaid, bare unto Abraham: and these are the
names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their
generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and
Adbeel, and Mibsam, and Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, Hadar, and Tema,
Jetur, Naphich, and Kedemah: these are the sons of Ishmael, and these
are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes
according to their nations. (Genesis 25:12-16)

Ali’s second example is Moses’ prediction of a prophet like himself,
which we have already addressed. His third prophecy also comes from
Deuteronomy:

And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the
children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from
Sinai, And rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from mount
Paran, And he came with ten thousands of saints: From his right hand
went a fiery law for them. (Deuteronomy 33:1-2)

Notice that this passage says nothing about prophets. It is a
description of God’s victory in bringing the Israelites into the Holy
Land. God was with them as they passed Sinai, Seir, and Paran. Indeed,
the language used by Moses to describe God’s help is common in the Old
Testament:

LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, When thou marchedst out of the
field of Edom, The earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, The clouds
also dropped water. The mountains melted from before the LORD, Even
that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel. (Judges 5:4-5)

O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, When thou didst
march through the wilderness; Selah. The earth shook, the heavens also
dropped At the presence of God: even Sinai itself was moved At the
presence of God, the God of Israel. ... The chariots of God are twenty
thousand, even thousands of angels: The Lord is among them, as in
Sinai, in the holy place. (Psalm 68:7-8, 17)

Yet Muslim apologists claim that Moses’ words at the beginning of his
blessing aren’t a description of God’s victory; instead, they are a
prediction of three great prophets. Ali argues:

"Coming from Sinai" refers to the appearance of Moses, while "rising
up from Seir" refers to the conquest of Seir by David. Now Paran is
admittedly the ancient name for the land of Hijaz, where arose
Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) from among the
descendents of Ishmael.[16]

Most Muslim commentators, however, believe that "Seir" refers to the
prophethood of Jesus, not to the conquest of Seir by King David. Thus
Badawi claims:

Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.
It speaks of God (i.e. God’s revelation) coming from Sinai, rising
from Seir (probably the village of Sa’ir near Jerusalem) and shining
forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran
was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).
[17]

These interpretations are fraught with difficulties. Moses’ blessing
begins by saying that the LORD (not the prophets) came from Sinai,
rose up from Seir, and shined forth from Mount Paran. To say that this
really refers to prophets requires an unjustified leap of
interpretation, especially since similar language is used elsewhere in
the Old Testament to describe God’s victories over Israel’s enemies.
Further, while God gave a revelation at Sinai, the Muslim
interpretations of "Seir" are problematic. Ali holds that it refers to
David’s conquest of Seir, but what does this have to do with the rise
of a prophet or the giving of revelation? Badawi says that the
reference to Seir probably refers to the village of Sa’ir near
Jerusalem. But this view is preposterous. The Pentateuch mentions Seir
numerous times as the place where the Edomites settled, and the same
word is used in Deuteronomy 33. Needless to say, the Edomites didn’t
settle in the village of Sa’ir near Jerusalem, which makes it
impossible to link Jesus to Seir. Additionally, Paran (near Mecca,
according to Muslims) is also mentioned several time in the Torah:

And the children of Israel took their journeys out of the wilderness
of Sinai; and the cloud [i.e. the glory of the LORD] rested in the
wilderness of Paran. (Numbers 10:12)

And afterward the people removed from Hazeroth, and pitched in the
wilderness of Paran. (Numbers 12:16)

And Moses by the commandment of the LORD sent them from the wilderness
of Paran: all those men were heads of the children of Israel. (Numbers
13:3)

And they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the
congregation of the children of Israel, unto the wilderness of Paran,
to Kadesh; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the
congregation, and shewed them the fruit of the land. (Numbers 13:26)

These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side
Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea,
between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.
(Deuteronomy 1:1)

Mount Paran is in northwestern Sinai, a great distance from Mecca.
However, even if Paran were the land of Muhammad, as Badawi claims,
the Torah would simply be telling us that the Israelites spent time
there during their flight from Egypt, and that the fiery pillar of the
glory of God rested there for a time. It makes sense, then, to think
that Moses’ report that the LORD "shined forth from mount Paran"
refers to the LORD literally shining forth from Mount Paran, not to
Muhammad figuratively shining forth with the Qur’an in Mecca.

Ali’s final prophecy (other than Jesus’ prediction of the coming
Comforter) is taken from Isaiah:

The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye
traveling companies of Dedanim. The inhabitants of the land of Tema
brought water to him that was thirsty, They prevented with their bread
him that fled. For they fled from the swords, From the drawn sword,
and from the bent bow, And from the grievousness of war. (Isaiah
21:13-15)

According to Ali, this "burden upon Arabia" is a clear prophecy about
Muhammad:

In the first place the word "Arabia" is by itself significant enough.
Then the mention of one who fled sheds still further light on the
object of the prophecy. The history of the world records but one such
flight that has won the importance of a red-letter event—the flight of
the Holy Prophet Muhammad from Makkah. ... A yet clearer testimony,
however, is contained in the words, "he fled from drawn swords."
History confirms that the Holy Prophet Muhammad fled from Makkah while
his house was still surrounded by blood-thirsty enemies with drawn
swords ready to fall upon him in a body as soon as he came out. ...
These two authoritative facts of history, supplemented by a direct
mention of the land of Arabia as the birth-place of the Promised
Prophet, furnished an indisputable clue that the prophecy refers to
the Holy Prophet Muhammad.[18]

Before we agree with Ali that this prophecy is "indisputable," perhaps
we should read the next two verses, which he conveniently leaves out
of his quotation:

For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the
years of a hireling, And all the glory of Kedar shall fail: And the
residue of the number of archers, The mighty men of the children of
Kedar, shall be diminished: For the LORD God of Israel hath spoken it.
(Isaiah 21:16-17)

The verses that Ali omits provide a timeframe for when the prophecy
was to be fulfilled. The fulfillment was to take place within a year
of the prophecy! While we cannot be certain when the prophecy was
made, we know that Isaiah wrote during the expansion of the Assyrian
empire, and that the Assyrians began invading Arabia in 732 B.C.
Further, the inhabitants of Tema lived approximately four hundred
miles north of Mecca, so it is difficult to imagine how the prophecy
could apply to Muhammad’s flight from Mecca. It seems most reasonable,
then, to conclude that Isaiah prophesied about the Assyrian empire’s
attacks on Arabia that occurred during his own lifetime, not about
Muhammad’s flight from Mecca more than a thousand years later.

This concludes Ali’s evidence that the Bible speaks about Muhammad.
Other Muslim apologists offer a few additional prophecies, but they
all suffer from the same problems. After examining five Biblical
"prophecies" about Muhammad, we can see that the method Muslims use in
their Argument from Biblical Prophecy consists of the following steps:

Step One: Find any verse in the Bible that can be interpreted, by a
stretch of the imagination, as a prophecy about Muhammad;

Step Two: Wrench the verse from its context, ignoring the verses that
precede it and those that follow;

Step Three: Ignore all obvious, common-sensical interpretations of the
prophecy, especially those that were fulfilled shortly after the
prophecy was given;

Step Four: Popularize the prophecy and the Muslim interpretation in
books, pamphlets, sermons, and internet articles, knowing that few
people will ever critically examine the passage.

While such a method appears detestable to the uninitiated, it comes
quite naturally to many Muslim apologists. Nevertheless, it isn’t
really their fault. Muhammad claimed that the Bible is full of
prophecies about the rise of Islam, so Muslims are doing their best to
find those prophecies. They’ve spent nearly fourteen centuries
searching for at least two unambiguous predictions (one from the Old
Testament and one from the New Testament), yet all their attempts have
failed. This presents an enormous problem for Islam, for this lack of
Biblical support leads to a devastating conclusion. Since Muhammad
claimed that the Bible predicts the rise of Islam, the following
syllogism refutes Muhammad’s prophethood:

Premise One: If Muhammad was a true prophet, the Bible must contain
numerous clear prophecies about him (for this is what he claimed).

Premise Two: There are no clear prophecies about Muhammad in the
Bible.

Conclusion: Therefore, Muhammad was not a true prophet.

Of course, this means that the Muslim search for Biblical support has
actually backfired and shown the religion to be false. However, such a
conclusion may be too hasty, for, in reality, the Bible does contain
prophecies about Muhammad. Muslims have simply overlooked them.


The True Prophecies

Consider the following passages drawn from the New Testament:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but
inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? (Matthew 7:15-16)

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. And then
shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate
one another. And many false prophets shall arise, and shall deceive
many. (Matthew 24:9-11)

And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be
according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:14-15)

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall
depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines
of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared
with a hot iron. (1 Timothy 4:1-2)

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but
after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having
itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and
shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

These verses need not be applied solely to Muhammad. Yet, without a
doubt, Muhammad is a fulfillment of many New Testament prophecies.
First, Jesus said that false prophets come in sheep’s clothing, but
are actually ravening wolves. Muhammad fits this criterion better than
anyone else in history. He convinced his followers that he was the
greatest moral example in history, yet he murdered countless people,
took part in the slave trade, allowed husbands to beat their wives,
allowed his men to have sex with their female slaves, had at least
nine wives at one time, admittedly proclaimed verses from Satan, and
had sex with a nine-year-old girl.[19] If Muhammad doesn’t fulfill
Jesus’ prophecy, then who does?

Next, Jesus said that false prophets would arise, and that they would
deceive many. There are currently more than a billion Muslims in the
world, and Islam is one of the world’s fastest growing religions. This
means that Muhammad is the greatest false prophet of all time, and the
most obvious fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy.

Third, the Apostle Paul said that Satan masquerades as an angel of
light. If Muhammad had been aware of this, perhaps he would have
trusted his first instinct when a spirit claiming to be Gabriel
suddenly appeared to him. (Muhammad’s first impression of his
revelations was that he was under demonic attack.[20]) This is a clear
fulfillment of Paul’s words.

Fourth, Paul said that people would give heed to "seducing spirits"
and "doctrines of devils." Muhammad’s infamous "Satanic Verses"
provide a striking example of this. The Prophet of Islam received
revelations saying that it was okay for his followers to pray to gods
besides Allah. Later, he claimed that Satan had put those words on his
lips.[21] Muhammad was therefore seduced by the doctrines of Satan,
just as Paul predicted.

Fifth, Paul predicted that a time would come when people would not
listen to sound doctrine. Instead, they would turn their ears away
from the truth and listen to fables. An application of this prophecy
can be made to Muslims today. While there are many Muslims who seek
the truth, there are also many who don’t seem to care where the
evidence points. Instead of acknowledging that Islam is an untenable
religion, they go to teachers like Jamal Badawi and Shabir Ally, who
tell them what they want to hear.

These prophecies may all be applied to Muhammad and to Islam. Thus,
when Muhammad claimed that other messengers of God had prophesied
about him, he was correct. The problem is that these messengers
predicted the rise of false prophets, not the rise of a new religion
after Christianity. Tragically, most people haven’t heeded the
warnings of the prophets. To this day, many even reject the words of
Christ. Yet when a man rises from the dead, vindicated by God,
everyone should listen to what he says. And when this risen man tells
us that false prophets will come, we should probably be suspicious of
anyone claiming to be a prophet—especially one with Muhammad’s
character flaws. Indeed, in addition to his other flaws, Muhammad is
guilty rejecting one of the clearest prophecies in history, a prophecy
about the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth:

Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the LORD
revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, And as a
root out of a dry ground: He hath no form nor comeliness; And when we
shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is
despised and rejected of men; A man of sorrows, and acquainted with
grief: And we hid as it were our faces from him; He was despised, and
we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, And carried our
sorrows: Yet we did esteem him stricken, Smitten of God, and
afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised
for our iniquities: The chastisement of our peace was upon him; And
with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We
have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him
the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, Yet he
opened not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: And
who shall declare his generation? For he was cut off out of the land
of the living: For the transgression of my people was he stricken. And
he made his grave with the wicked, And with the rich in his death;
Because he had done no violence, Neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: When
thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, He shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper
in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be
satisfied: By his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
For he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a
portion with the great, And he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
Because he hath poured out his soul unto death: And he was numbered
with the transgressors; And he bare the sin of many, And made
intercession for the transgressors. (Isaiah 53:1-12)


Notes:

1 "Prophecies about the advent of Prophet Muhammad, peace and
blessings of Allah be upon him, are met with in earlier sacred books
and had great currency among the nations. . . . The Qur’an asserts
that the appearance of the Holy Prophet was foretold by each and all
of the foregoing prophets, through whom the covenant was also made
with their respective peoples that they would accept him when he made
his appearance" (Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad the Prophet [St.
Lambert: Payette and Sims, 1993], p. 22).

2 All Qur’an quotations are taken from the Abdullah Yusuf Ali
translation.

3 Sahih Al-Bukhari, Dr. Muhammad Matraji, tr. (New Delhi: Islamic Book
Service, 2002), Number 2125.

4 Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah (The Life of Muhammad), A. Guillaume,
tr. (New York: Oxford University Press, 1980), pp. 240-241.

5 Ibid., pp. 103-104.

6 Ibid., p. 656.

7 Yusuf Ali, Note 1127. Ali, like many other Muslim commentators,
believes that the Greek Paracletos (comforter, helper, counselor)
should be rendered Pariclytos (which, he claims, is the Greek form of
Ahmad). However, there are more than 5,000 extant Greek manuscripts of
John’s Gospel, and not a single one agrees with Ali’s claim. Muslim
apologists fail to realize that, when a claim is made, evidence is
required. There is simply no justification for the idea that the verse
should read "Periclytos."

8 All Bible quotations are taken from the King James Version, since
this is the version that Muslims typically use in their apologetics.

9 Ahmad Deedat, What the Bible Says About Muhammad (New Dehli: Islamic
Book Service), p. 13.

10 "But (now), when the Truth Has come to them from Ourselves, They
say, ‘Why are not (Signs) sent to him like Those which were sent to
Moses?’ Do they not then reject (The Signs) which were formerly Sent
to Moses?" (Qur’an 28:48). Ibn Ishaq adds: "[Muhammad said]: ‘How
unfortunate is the death of Abu Umama! The Jews and the Arab
hypocrites are sure to say "If he were a prophet his companion would
not die" and (truly) I have no power from God for myself or for my
companion (to avert death)’" (p. 235).

11 Qur'an 3:49.

12 Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad in the Bible, p. 27.

13 Ibid., p. 27.

14 Ibid., pp. 22-23.

15 Ibid., p. 24.

16 Ibid., p. 25.

17 See Jamal Badawi, "Muhammad in the Bible."

18 Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad in the Bible, p. 26.

19 For references, see "Islam Beheaded."

20 For more on this, see "A Bewitched Prophet?"

21 See "A Bewitched Prophet?"

Muhammad in the Bible?


posted talk no evidence of health

Muhammad was predicted to come in the Gospel of John:

Just a quick note, the Arabic word "Muhammad" is an expression which means "The honorable one" or "The glorified one" or "The admirable". Prophet Muhammad was the first in the Middle East to be named "Muhammad". Below, you will see how Jesus in today's Gospel of John had called this human Prophet which he predicted his comming "The honorable one".

Jesus in the Greek Bible used the Greek word "Periklytos" which means the admirable or glorified one. He called that predicted human prophet "Periklytos". This word corresponds exactly to the Arabic word "Muhammad" which also means the "admired one" or "glorified one." In other words, "Periklytos" is "Muhammad" in Greek.

Let us start...

In the Bible we can find the following four passages wherein Jesus (peace be upon him) predicts a great event:

John 14:16"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"

John 15:26"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"

John 14:26"But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

In these four verses, the word "comforter"is translated from the word "Paraclete" ("Ho Parakletos" in Greek). Parakletos in Greek is interpreted as "an advocate", one who pleads the cause of another, one who councils or advises another from deep concern for the other's welfare (Beacon Bible commentary volume VII, p.168). In these verses we are told that once Jesus (peace be upon him) departs, a Paraclete will come. He will glorify Jesus (peace be upon him), and he will guide mankind into all truth. This "Paraclete" is identified in John 14:26 as the Holy Ghost.

It must be pointed out that the original Greek manuscripts speak of a "Holy pneuma." The word pneuma {pnyoo'-mah} is the Greek root word for "spirit." There is no separate word for "Ghost" in the Greek manuscripts, of which there are claimed to be over 24,000 today.The translators of the King James Version of the Bible translate this word as "Ghost" to convey their own personal understanding of the text. However, a more accurate translation is "Holy Spirit." More faithful and recent translations of the Bible, such as the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), do indeed now translate it as "Holy Spirit." This is significant, and will be expounded upon shortly.

All Bibles in existence today are compiled from "ancient manuscripts," the most ancient of which being those of the fourth century C.E. Any scholar of the Bible will tell us that no two ancient manuscripts are exactly identical. All Bibles in our possession today are the result of extensive cutting and pasting from these various manuscripts with no single one being the definitive reference.

What the translators of the Bible have done when presented with such discrepancies is to do their best to choose the correct version. In other words, since they can not know which "ancient manuscript" is the correct one, they must do a little detective work on the text in order to decide which "version" of a given verse to accept. John 14:26 is just such an example of such selection techniques.

John 14:26 is the only verse of the Bible which associates the Parakletos with the Holy Spirit. But if we were to go back to the "ancient manuscripts" themselves, we would find that they are not all in agreement that the "Parakletos" is the Holy Spirit. For instance, in the famous the Codex Syriacus, written around the fifth century C.E., and discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs.Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit.".





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Who really is the False Prophet

Missionary David Wood has written an article in which he seeks to try and show that the prophet Muhammad was actually a false prophet according to the Bible. The verses and chapter he uses happens to be Deuteronomy 18, verse 20.

As we all know many Muslims have often used Deuteronomy 18:18 to show that this verse actually refers to the prophet hood of Muhammad. For those who are interested, Deuteronomy 18:18 reads like this:

"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account." (Deuteronomy 18: 18-19)[4]


The aim of this article is not to discuss or try to prove these verses refer to the prophet Muhammad, rather the aim of this article is to discuss verse 20, the verse David brings up. David believes that this verse happens to prove that the prophet Muhammad is a false prophet. David's article can be found here:

http://answeringislam.net/Authors/Wo...deductions.htm

With that said let us now proceed to refute David's points. He writes:

God says:
"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die." (Deuteronomy 18:20)
Here we have two criteria for spotting a false prophet: (1) delivering a revelation which God has not "commanded him to speak," and (2) speaking "in the name of other gods." Since Muslims who appeal to so-called biblical prophecies of Muhammad have given this passage their stamp of approval, they cannot deny the truth of A1 and B1. To sum up, Muslims have appealed to a passage in Deuteronomy 18, and that passage entails premises A1 and B1. Thus, according to Muslim claims, the first premise of each of the Deuteronomy Deductions is true.
We have seen that, according to a passage regarded by many Muslims as divine revelation, a person who either delivers a message that does not come from God or speaks in the names of false gods must be a false prophet. But this means that Muhammad was a false prophet, since he did both when he delivered the infamous "Satanic Verses."
We learn about the Satanic Verses, not from Christian or Jewish sources, but from early Muslim writings. Accounts of the Satanic Verses are given in a number of early sources, including: (1) Ibn Ishaq, (2) Wakidi, (3) Ibn Sa'd, (4) al-Tabari, (5) Ibn Abi Hatim, (6) Ibn al-Mundhir, (7) Ibn Mardauyah, (8) Musa ibn 'Uqba, and (9) Abu Ma'shar.[6] According to the great Muslim scholar Ibn Hajar, three chains of transmission (isnad) in these accounts "satisfy the conditions requisite for an authentic report."[7] Moreover, Sahih al-Bukhari, Islam's most trusted source on the life of Muhammad, gives indirect confirmation of the event (Number 4862, quoted below). Beyond this, certain verses of the Qur'an (17:73-5 and 22:52-3) were revealed in response to Muhammad's embarrassing lapse into polytheism.

RESPONSE

Basically that is David's argument, let us summarize it up:

-Deuteronomy 18:20 says a prophet who speaks a revelation that is not from God is actually a false prophet

-The prophet Muhammad spoke of a revelation that was not from God, but from Satan, i.e. the satanic verses

-Therefore Muhammad is a false prophet

That's the argument, very simple.

Now, is David's conclusion correct? Or has David over-zealously arrived at his conclusions? Well if we study the matter carefully, then we shall see that David was a tad bit too over-zealous in his reading and conclusions.

Now I am not going to argue that the Satanic verses is a false story, although there is lots of proof that it is, from top Islamic scholars in the field of hadiths. The fact is is that I don't need to do that, because even if the story is true, it still does NOT meet the criteria of Deuteronomy verse 20.

For starters, let us read verse 20 again, let us read the most important and crucial part, the part that David over-zealously looked over:


"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die." (Deuteronomy 18:20)
Notice the verse goes on to say that the false prophet shall die! So therefore the criterion is as follows:

-A prophet who makes a revelation which is not from God is a false prophet

-This prophet shall then die

So therefore that is the criteria which David conveniently left out because he knows that completely takes his ENTIRE argument down.

Now off course David and other's will reply back by saying that by die the verse actually means that the Jews will have to pass out the execution, i.e. they will have to personally kill the prophet.

This explanation could be true, but there is a slight problem, the verse does NOT say you will kill him, or you should kill him, for instance it does not say:

"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die by you." (Deuteronomy 18:20)
"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die at your hands." (Deuteronomy 18:20)
"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall be killed by you." (Deuteronomy 18:20)
"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet should be killed." (Deuteronomy 18:20)
None of the verse say that, rather the verse says:
"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die." (Deuteronomy 18:20)
So as you can see no where in this verse does it explicitly state that death will be done only by the hands of the people, hence David cannot rely on this sole interpretation as it does not exist in this verse. The verse simply says the false prophet shall die, and we can confidently say by this wording we see that it means that God himself will lay the judgment and execution on this false prophet.
Now some may say I am being desperate, but am I? I can go on to list dozens and dozens of verses where God EXPLICITLY commands the people to go and kill sinners and false prophets, so therefore my analysis is very correct and accurate. The fact is is that in this verse, verse 20, God does NOT say go and kill the false prophet, it just says the false prophet shall die, and by the wording we see that it infers that God himself shall kill this prophet. If the interpretation of this verse solely meant that the prophet's death would come at the hands of the people, then God would have explicitly commanded it like he does in many other verses, yet in this verse he does not say go and kill the false prophet, it simply says the false prophet shall die.
So therefore David will not be able to respond back to me by saying that the death of the prophet shall come at the hands of the people, this will only be David's INTERPRETATION of the verse, yet the exact and actual direct wording of the verse does not support this interpretation. And I repeat again, there are many verses in the Bible where God explicitly calls on his believers to kill the sinners and false prophets, yet in this verse it is absent.
Now as we all know the prophet Muhammad certainly did not die after making this mistake, in fact as we all know the prophet Muhammad went on to finish the revelation and the entire revelation of the Quran!
Now we must also be honest, David must be honest as well, when we read the story of the Satanic verses we must not pick and choose, we must simply read it all and tell the entire story. Sadly missionaries never do this, they quote the entire story but simply like to stick to the part of the satanic verses, they don't like to talk about the other part of the story where angel Gabriel came and told the prophet of the mistake, and corrected it!
Let us read the rest of the story:
Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done? You have recited to the people that which I did not bring to you from God, and you have said that which was not said to you." Then the messenger of God was much grieved and feared God greatly, but God sent down a revelation to him, for He was merciful to him, consoling him and making the matter light for him, informing him that there had never been a prophet or a messenger before him who desired as he desired and wished as he wished but that Satan had cast words into his recitation, as he had cast words on Muhammad's tongue. Then God cancelled what Satan had thus cast, and established his verses by telling him that he was like other prophets and messengers, and revealed:
"Never did we send a messenger or a prophet before you but that when he recited (the Message) Satan cast words into his recitation (umniyyah). God abrogates what Satan casts. The God established his verses. God is knower, wise. (174)
This is from Tabari's book.
So as you can see the angel Gabriel came down to the prophet Muhammad and told him of this error, and God himself sent down a revelation to the prophet Muhammad which reprieved him of this mistake! So how can the prophet Muhammad possibly be a false prophet?!
If David wants to accept this story then he will have to accept this part, he can't simply accept the part which seems to help his case, and ignore this part which completely debunks his case! So David, what will it be? Either you accept the entire story as it is, which means you have to become a Muslim, or you stop using this story all-together, you can't have any other choice unless you willingly employ dishonest tactics.
In fact this story perfectly fits what what I earlier said about Deuteronomy 18 verse 20, that the false prophet shall be killed by God, yet in the Satanic verses incident we see that God actually sends a revelation down to Muhammad which reprieves him and explains that this has happened to other prophets as well, indeed if Muhammad was a false prophet then God would have not sent down the revelation reprieving Muhammad, rather God would have just killed Muhammad as Deuteronomy 18 verse 20 says!
Last but not least David is acting under the proposition that commands by God in the Bible are final, meaning he does not change his mind. David very well knows that in the Bible God has changed his mind, and often gone back on a command he made and did something else! So therefore if David is not satisfied with any of what I said then this will be enough to satisfy him, that his God does change his mind sometimes and becomes forgiving and shows mercy to the one who errs.
So in conclusion David's argument just does not hold any weight, and to make matters worst the entire satanic verses issue is not a reliable event according to Islamic scholars! Visit this link:
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/pr...satanic_verses
And Allah Certainly knows Best!



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My dear friend,

I am delighted to hear back from you.

As I shared in my email the other day, I can help you be with our Creator God and He will gladly prove that the one known as Jesus is Himself in human form. So, let us not be concerned with Jesus, Mohammad, or Moses, the Bible or the Kuran at this time. We will let God Himself reveal the way He wishes to be known to those who earnestly seek Him. Isn’t it wonderful that we can have such a wonderful opportunity to know God experientially, so intimately, that He teaches us and brings us to all that is true? Yes, He wants to be our teacher.

We need only adopt certain attitudes that any reasoning man can know that God requires. Honesty, Open-mindedness, Faith, trust, willingness, and most of all to desire a life of Love and Service to Him and for Him. Then we can be relatively happy in this life and know perfect happiness in the next.

God challenges each of us to seek Him and rewards each of us individually when we sincerely do. He does not desire a blind faith; but rather, a faith based on reasoned thought and experimental experience with Him. A new-born baby does not know its parents, but over time with experience it knows the one it has sensed but now can understand. So it is with a true seeker of our God.

I will be happy to share the simple steps we need to take to arrive at the throne of God and if you thoroughly follow this path the promises of God will be yours. This is a private and intimate experience between a man and His God just as it is between two loving individuals. So we need not concern ourselves with others at this point. It is a private affair

So, dear friend, when you are ready to meet the One we know exists and desire to know Him as your loving God and be as close with Him as you choose to commit yourself. Just let me know and I will walk with you step by step. It is not about religion, but about Reality and Spiritual Experience.

Your friend,
Barry

اسلوب تبشيري عفن ، لكن صدقا احس انه يصدق انه على الحق

لا يريد ان يثبت ان اليسوع هو الله بل يريدنا ان نشعر بذلك

اليسوع بحبك ....

الرد
pleace , forget the myths and give evidence that :
jesus is god
we do not believe the only proof


Reasons why Jesus is not God


1- Jesus is not all knowing:
Mark 24: 32-36:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
God is all knowing, Jesus fails this main qualification. This alone is enough to prove that Jesus is not God. Also note the verse says ONLY the Father meaning nobody else, including the divine Jesus.
2- Jesus never said I am God.
Is this a coincidence? I think not. If you make a claim on someone, then you would expect that someone to back your claim up. If I claim somebody is a king, you would expect that king to say he is a king, at least once. In the OT God says he is God several times, why not once with Jesus in the NT? Did God change his ways? I think not, since the OT says God does not change. Here are the passages from the OT where God says he is God:
Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins
Gen 46:3 And he said, I [am] God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:
Exd 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Exd 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
Psa 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I [am] God, [even] thy God.
Psa 81:10 I [am] the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, Iwill uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel.
Isa 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me,
Jer 32:27 Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Eze 23:49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD.
So as we can see, God is not shy to say I am God. SO if Jesus is God, then how come he never said it once like the God of the OT? This is not a coincidence.
3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man:
The New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus is the son of man:
Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head.
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Luk 9:44 Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.
Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
The Old Testament tells us not to put our trust in the son of man:
Psalms 146:
1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul.
2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
So note, Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to put our trust in the son of man; therefore we cannot place our trust in Jesus so he cannot be God. The OT is basically saying that you shouldn't put your trust in men as you do with God, so hence we cannot put our trust in Jesus in the same way we do with God since Jesus is just a man, and he cannot really save us. So hence Jesus cannot be God.
1- Jesus is the son of man
2- The OT tells us not to put our trust in the son of man
3- we cannot put our trust in Jesus as we do with God
4- Jesus is not God
The OT also tells us that there is no help in the son of man, therefore this means Jesus cannot help anybody, therefore he is not God since God can help all. So we cannot place our trust in Jesus, nor can he help us, therefore he cannot be God according to the OT.
4- Jesus was GIVEN power and authority, he did not own it.
As we all know, God is all-powerful and is independent, he needs no help from anybody. However so this is not the case with Jesus, unlike God, Jesus needs help from God, unlike God, Jesus does not own any power or any authority, rather it is given to him from God.
Jhn 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that ALL THINGS whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me
So as we can see, Jesus GIVEN everything he had! This all included miracle, doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do anything of his own, he never performed a miracle by his own power, he was given the miracle. He never taught anything of his own, rather he was taught by God and spoke what God told him to speak.
Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jhn 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
So everything Jesus had was from God, from the Gospel to his miracles. God needs no one to give him power, God needs no one to tell him what to do, therefore Jesus is not God.
I challenge any Christian to bring me one single miracle Jesus performed on his own, just one. The Christian will never be able to meet this challenge.
5- Jesus was sent to a specific nation only, not to mankind
It is very strange that when we read the Bible, we find that Jesus was sent to preach to a specific nation only, not mankind. One would expect to find Jesus being sent to all of mankind if he was God, rather what we find is that Jesus just like all the other prophets, was sent to a specific nation only:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
So as we see, Jesus was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel. His main duty was for them, not the gentiles or the world. Christians often like to say Jesus told his disciples to go preach to the gentiles, however so this doesn't change anything. Jesus' real mission as we see was for the children of Israel, not the gentiles, the verse I posted cannot be refuted. The verse is very clear, Jesus is SENT for the lost sheep of Israel, not the Gentiles, Jesus saying go preach to Gentiles does not mean he was sent for gentiles.
1- 5-Jesus denied being good in the sense that God is good.
If Jesus is God one would expect him to admit he is good in the sense that God is good, meaning perfect. However when we read the Bible we see that Jesus denies being good in the sense that God is good which is perfect. Here are the passages:
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
So note, the man calls Jesus good, Jesus tells the man there is no good but God. Obviously Jesus referred to God as someone else, which also proves Jesus isn't God. However the main importance of the passages is that Jesus denies being Good in the way God is good, which is to be perfect.
6- Jesus could not save anyone
The Bible also claims that Jesus cannot save anyone! Here is the passage:
Hebrews 5:1-8: 1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. 3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. 4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. 5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered
So Jesus cried to the one who could save him from death, this means Jesus could not save himself from death, therefore this also means Jesus cannot save anyone else from death. How can Jesus be God when he cannot save anyone? This also shows that Jesus is not in control of life and death, God however is in control of everything, including life and death:
And they have taken besides Him gods, who do not create anything while they are themselves created, and they control not for themselves any harm or profit, and they control not death nor life, nor raising (the dead) to life. S. 25:3 Shakir
This verse is from the Noble Quran, I guess this sums it all up doesn't it?





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Religion of Peace?:
Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't [Hardcover]
Robert Spencer (Author)

Book Description
Publication Date: July 17, 2007
Christianity or Islam: which is the real "religion of peace"?
Almost any liberal pundit will tell you that there's a religion bent
on destroying our Constitution, stripping us of our liberties, and
imposing religious rule on the U.S. And that religion
is . . .Christianity! About Islam, however, the Left is silent--except
to claim a moral equivalence between the two: if Islam has terrorists
today, that's nothing compared to the Crusades, inquisitions, and
religious wars in Christianity's past.

But is this true? Are conservative Christians really more of a threat
to free societies than Islamic jihadists? Is the Bible really "just as
violent" as the Qur'an? Is Christianity's history really as
bloodstained as Islam's? In Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and
Islam Isn't, New York Times bestselling author Robert Spencer not only
refutes such charges, but also explains why Americans and Europeans
must regain an appreciation of our Christian heritage if we ever hope
to defeat Islamic supremacism. In this eye opening work, Spencer
reveals:

* The fundamental differences between Islamic and Christian teachings
about warfare against other religions: "Love your enemies" vs. "Be
ruthless to the unbelievers"

* The myth of Western immorality and Islamic puritanism and why the
Islamic world is less moral than the West

* Why the Islamic world has never developed the distinction between
religious and secular law that is inherent in Christianity

* Why Christianity has always embraced reason--and Islam has always
rejected it

* Why the most determined enemies of Western civilization may not be
the jihadists at all, but the leftists who fear their churchgoing
neighbors more than Islamic terrorists

* Why Jews, Christians, and peoples of other faiths (or no faith) are
equally at risk from militant Islam

Spencer writes not to proselytize, but to state a fact: Christianity
is a true "religion of peace," and on it Western civilization stands.
If we are not to perish under Islam's religion of the sword--with its
more than 100 million active jihadists seeking to impose sharia law--
we had better defend our own civilization.

Amazon.com: Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isnt (9781596985155): Robert Spencer: Books



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الرد الثاني في مجموعه اخرى و من نفس الشخص
The Truth About Muhammad:
Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion [Hardcover]
Robert Spencer (Author)


Editorial Reviews
From the Inside Flap
Muhammad: a frank look at his influential (and violent) life and
teachings
In The Truth about Muhammad, New York Times bestselling author and
Islam expert Robert Spencer offers an honest and telling portrait of
the founder of Islam-perhaps the first such portrait in half a century-
unbounded by fear and political correctness, unflinching, and willing
to face the hard facts about Muhammad's life that continue to affect
our world today.

From Muhammad's first "revelation" from Allah (which filled him with
terror that he was demonpossessed) to his deathbed (from which he
called down curses upon Jews and Christians), it's all here-told with
extensive documentation from the sources that Muslims themselves
consider most reliable about Muhammad.

Spencer details Muhammad's development from a preacher of hellfire and
damnation into a political and military leader who expanded his rule
by force of arms, promising his warriors luridly physical delights in
Paradise if they were killed in his cause. He explains how the
Qur'an's teaching on warfare against unbelievers developed-with
constant war to establish the hegemony of Islamic law as the last
stage.

Spencer also gives the truth about Muhammad's convenient "revelations"
justifying his own licentiousness; his joy in the brutal murders of
his enemies; and above all, his clear marching orders to his followers
to convert non-Muslims to Islam-or force them to live as inferiors
under Islamic rule.

In The Truth about Muhammad, you'll learn

- The truth about Muhammad's multiple marriages (including one to a
nine-year-old) - How Muhammad set legal standards that make it
virtually impossible to prove rape in Islamic countries - How
Muhammad's example justifies jihad and terrorism - The real "Satanic
verses" incident (not the Salman Rushdie version) that remains a
scandal to Muslims - How Muhammad's faulty knowledge of Judaism and
Christianity has influenced Islamic theology--and colored Muslim
relations with Jews and Christians to this day.

Recognizing the true nature of Islam, Spencer argues, is essential for
judging the prospects for largescale Islamic reform, the effective
prosecution of the War on Terror, the democracy project in Afghanistan
and Iraq, and immigration and border control to protect the United
States from terrorism.

All of which makes it crucial for every citizen (and policymaker) who
loves freedom to read and ponder The Truth about Muhammad.


About the Author
Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch, a program of the David
Horowitz Freedom Center, and author of the New York Times bestseller
The Politically Incorrect GuideTM to Islam (and the Crusades), as well
as four other books on Islam and terrorism, including Islam Unveiled:
Disturbing Questions about the World’s Fastest Growing Faith and
Onward Muslim Soldiers: How Jihad Still Threatens America and the
West, as well as eight monographs and hundreds of articles. He lives
in a secure, undisclosed location.

Amazon.com: The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the Worlds Most Intolerant Religion (9781596980280): Robert Spencer: Books



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Which Koran?:
Variants, Manuscripts, Linguistics [Hardcover]
Ibn Warraq (Author, Editor)


Book Description
Publication Date: November 24, 2009
Few Muslims realize that there are several Korans in circulation in
the Islamic world, with textual variations whose significance, extent,
and meaning have never been properly examined. Ibn Warraq has here
assembled important scholarly articles that address the history,
linguistics, and religious implications of these not-trifling variants
in Islam’s sacred book. In a lengthy introduction, Warraq notes
that historical and linguistic evidence suggests that there was
considerable confusion regarding what should be included in the Koran
in the early years of Muslim history. Although the caliph Uthman
canonized a specific text some fifteen years after the death of
Muhammad, variant readings of certain passages have persisted to the
present. This can be seen in discrepancies between the two main
printed versions of the Koran available today (the Warsh transmission
found in West and Northwest Africa and the Hafs transmission, stemming
from Kufa, and widely available through the standard Egyptian edition
of 1924). This, coupled with the fact that Muslim secondary literature
(the Hadiths) discusses missing Koranic verses and even Muhammad’s
sometimes faulty memory, strongly indicate that the Koran cannot be
considered an inerrant revelation. Warraq organizes the articles in
this volume into subsections dealing with the language of the Koran;
pre-Islamic poetry and its possible influence on the writing of the
Koran; influences from Jewish and Christian sources and from Qumran
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اقتباس :
Religion of Peace?:
Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't [Hardcover]
Robert Spencer (Author)


what is this
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Many Times Christians post passages from the Quran on war and say that Islam is not valid because of them, because of the violence it supposedly promotes. Christians say Muhammad cannot be a prophet because he fought in wars and killed people; they say Jesus never killed anyone nor harmed any one, and that their God is loving and not a killer. Are these comments true? The simple answer is no, in this article I will quote several verses from the Bible showing the brutal terror found in it, I will be quoting from the OT. Christians should have no problem with it, since it's the same God, so hence if the God of the OT said kill then it means Jesus said kill because according to Christians Jesus is God and is the same God of the Old Testament.
Let us begin:

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2



32-37
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

So here we have Moses and his army killing both women and children. Moses broke the 6th commandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE. Or I see, when it's in war it becomes okay? Yet when Muslims say the 6th commandment is followed, but in war its different, Christians say no and that the 6th commandment must be followed in all circumstances. Either way, The Quran does not say kill women and children, I CHALLENGE ANY CHRISTIAN TO BRING SUCH A VERSE. We rather see this in the Bible, one of your greatest prophets killing women and children by God's permission, meaning Jesus allowed it! So hence Jesus was responsible for killing women and children, and so was Moses so according to the Christians own argument, Moses cannot be a prophet since he killed. Note Moses and his army did this to many cities, verse 37 says there was not one city which was strong enough in the plural sense; hence up to 6 or 7 cities were destroyed with its women and children.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 3



1-7
1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves


Deuteronomy
Chapter 7



1-6
1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them: 3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth


Deuteronomy
Chapter 13



6-18
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

12If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

Once again we see the in-tolerance of the Christian God, in these passages God says that anyone who worships others Gods wherever they be must be killed. Even if your in Antarctica and you worship some pagan deity you shall be put to death. As the verse says, to the ends of the world, meaning all over the world, so there is no tolerance in their religion. God (who is Jesus according to Christians) orders his followers to stone the ones who don't believe in him, and to kill them, and to destroy the city with the sword and burn it and never rebuild it. The ending OT the paragraph is very interesting, God tells his followers TO KEEP all his commandments which include this one! To kill others who don't believe in him, so hence no religious tolerance. So this rule STILL APPLIES TODAY, because their God said:

keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

Or did God change his mind? The God of the OT does NOT change his mind:

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" Numbers 23:19

He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind." 1 Samuel 15:29

So hence the Christian God doesn't change his mind so this rule still applies today, so Christians are still ordered to kill us!


Deuteronomy
Chapter 21



18-22

18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. 22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree



Deuteronomy
Chapter 22



25-29

25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days

So as you can see, rape is allowed in certain cases. When the victim is a virgin, she must marry the rapist, if the victim is not a virgin then the rapist is put to death. This law is a shame and insult to rape victims, you bring me one single lady who would want to marry her rapist.


Deuteronomy
Chapter 23



1-4
1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. 3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: 4 Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee

Now why can't these people go into the congregation of the lord? What happened to the God who hears all, and accepts all? It seems at one time Jesus did not like bastards, and did not like men without their private parts! I wonder what the Christian has to say to this. Why cannot Ammonites and Moabites go into the congregation of the lord? What again happened to the God who loves all and hears all?

Deuteronomy
Chapter 25



1-3

1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked. 2 And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number. 3 Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee

Now I can understand that punishments like this can be carried out, the reason I post this is because CHRISTIANS do not accept things like this. When they read in the Quran that it says lash the ones who commit illegal sexual intercourse, the Christians starts saying how can you do such a thing! That's so evil! So I am just using their own argument against them, so as we see, the punishment of beating a sinner is in their own book. Hence based on their own arguments and own criteria, their book and God is not peaceful and is evil, and who is this God? It is Jesus.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 28
15-68

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: 16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. 17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. 18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. 19Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. 20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. 21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. 22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. 23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 24The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 And thy carcass shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. 27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. 28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: 29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee. 30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof. 31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them. 32Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand. 33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labors, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: 34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head. 36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. 37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee. 38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it. 39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit. 41Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity. 42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume. 43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: 46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. 47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things; 48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee. 49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; 50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favor to the young: 51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee. 52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 53And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee: 54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave: 55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates. 56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, 57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates. 58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; 59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. 60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. 61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God. 63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. 64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. 65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Now the reason I post this is because Christians namely Craig Winn claim Islam is not peaceful because Allah Warns of punishing people who don't follow him etc. Now since Christians believe that line of argument, then using their own criteria the verses I just posted show that it is in fact their God who is violent and non peaceful because as you can see he will punish those who don't follow him in a very harsh manner.

So Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house, and they do live in a glass house. I wonder what Craig Winn will have to say about these verses, I mean he does believe in this God who is warning of these punishments, if Christians have a problem with Allah punishing people then why don't they have a problem with their own God when he says he will punish people?

Christians must now admit their God is violent and not peaceful since they say Allah cant be God because of his wrath and punishments, if Christians do not admit it then they can no longer argue against Islam, if they continue to use this silly argument on Islam then they must leave their own religion. So they are in a bad dilemma now, attack Islam and leave Christianity or don't attack Islam and therefore have nothing to attack Islam on.

Now let me make it easier for the reader, I will basically post what the Christian God will do as a punishment to those who wouldn't follow him:

1- God will cause his people to be murdered and massacred, and they will flee in all directions.

2- People will beget children but will not be able to enjoy them because they will be sent into slavery.

3- People's children shall be given to other people and the parents will wish they could have them back but they wont.

4- Cannibalism, yes cannibalism! 53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee

5- God will send diseases to the people

6- You will get married, and your wife will sleep with other men.

These are some of the punishments that the God of the Bible will do to his people if they dont follow him.

Numbers
Chapter 31



7-12


7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.



I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their God a false violent God. So once again Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house.

17-18

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do Christians have to say to this? This is their God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive.

Joshua
Chapter 2



8-21

8And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof; 9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you. 10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath. 12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have showed you kindness, that ye will also show kindness unto my father's house, and give me a true token: 13 And that ye will save alive my father, and my mother, and my brethren, and my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death. 14 And the men answered her, Our life for yours, if ye utter not this our business. And it shall be, when the LORD hath given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with thee. 15 Then she let them down by a cord through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall. 16 And she said unto them, Get you to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you; and hide yourselves there three days, until the pursuers be returned: and afterward may ye go your way. 17 And the men said unto her, We will be blameless of this thine oath which thou hast made us swear. 18 Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee. 19And it shall be, that whosoever shall go out of the doors of thy house into the street, his blood shall be upon his head, and we will be guiltless: and whosoever shall be with thee in the house, his blood shall be on our head, if any hand be upon him. 20 And if thou utter this our business, then we will be quit of thine oath which thou hast made us to swear. 21 And she said, According unto your words, so be it. And she sent them away, and they departed: and she bound the scarlet line in the window.





Joshua
Chapter 8



1-29

1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: 2 And thou shalt do to Ai and her king as thou didst unto Jericho and her king: only the spoil thereof, and the cattle thereof, shall ye take for a prey unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it.

3 So Joshua arose, and all the people of war, to go up against Ai: and Joshua chose out thirty thousand mighty men of valor, and sent them away by night. 4 And he commanded them, saying, Behold, ye shall lie in wait against the city, even behind the city: go not very far from the city, but be ye all ready: 5 And I, and all the people that are with me, will approach unto the city: and it shall come to pass, when they come out against us, as at the first, that we will flee before them, 6 (For they will come out after us) till we have drawn them from the city; for they will say, They flee before us, as at the first: therefore we will flee before them. 7 Then ye shall rise up from the ambush, and seize upon the city: for the LORD your God will deliver it into your hand. 8 And it shall be, when ye have taken the city, that ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD shall ye do. See, I have commanded you. 9 Joshua therefore sent them forth: and they went to lie in ambush, and abode between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of Ai: but Joshua lodged that night among the people. 10 And Joshua rose up early in the morning, and numbered the people, and went up, he and the elders of Israel, before the people to Ai. 11 And all the people, even the people of war that were with him, went up, and drew nigh, and came before the city, and pitched on the north side of Ai: now there was a valley between them and Ai. 12 And he took about five thousand men, and set them to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. 13 And when they had set the people, even all the host that was on the north of the city, and their liers in wait on the west of the city, Joshua went that night into the midst of the valley. 14 And it came to pass, when the king of Ai saw it, that they hasted and rose up early, and the men of the city went out against Israel to battle, he and all his people, at a time appointed, before the plain; but he wist not that there were liers in ambush against him behind the city. 15 And Joshua and all Israel made as if they were beaten before them, and fled by the way of the wilderness. 16 And all the people that were in Ai were called together to pursue after them: and they pursued after Joshua, and were drawn away from the city. 17And there was not a man left in Ai or Bethel, that went not out after Israel: and they left the city open, and pursued after Israel. 18 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Stretch out the spear that is in thy hand toward Ai; for I will give it into thine hand. And Joshua stretched out the spear that he had in his hand toward the city. 19And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire. 20 And when the men of Ai looked behind them, they saw, and, behold, the smoke of the city ascended up to heaven, and they had no power to flee this way or that way: and the people that fled to the wilderness turned back upon the pursuers. 21 And when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai. 22 And the other issued out of the city against them; so they were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side: and they smote them, so that they let none of them remain or escape.

23And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua. 24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcass down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.



Another battle, another massacare of women and children.

Joshua
Chapter 10
28-43

28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. 31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it:32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. 33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. 34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it: 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. 36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it: 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. 38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it: 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon. 42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, unto the camp to Gilgal.


Judges 1:21-35

The tribe of Benjamin, however, failed to drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem. So to this day the Jebusites live in Jerusalem among the people of Benjamin. The descendants of Joseph attacked the town of Bethel, and the LORD was with them. They sent spies to Bethel (formerly known as Luz), who confronted a man coming out of the city. They said to him, "Show us a way into the city, and we will have mercy on you." So he showed them a way in, and they killed everyone in the city except for this man and his family. Later the man moved to the land of the Hittites, where he built a city. He named the city Luz, and it is known by that name to this day. The tribe of Manasseh failed to drive out the people living in Beth-shan, Taanach, Dor, Ibleam, Megiddo, and their surrounding villages, because the Canaanites were determined to stay in that region.
When the Israelites grew stronger, they forced the Canaanites to work as slaves, but they never did drive them out of the land. The tribe of Ephraim also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Gezer, and so the Canaanites continued to live there among them. The tribe of Zebulun also failed to drive out the Canaanites living in Kitron and Nahalol, who continued to live among them. But they forced them to work as slaves. The tribe of Asher also failed to drive out the residents of Acco, Sidon, Ahlab, Aczib, Helbah, Aphik, and Rehob. In fact, because they did not drive them out, the Canaanites dominated the land where the people of Asher lived. The tribe of Naphtali also failed to drive out the residents of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath. Instead, the Canaanites dominated the land where they lived. Nevertheless, the people of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath were sometimes forced to work as slaves for the people of Naphtali. As for the tribe of Dan, the Amorites forced them into the hill country and would not let them come down into the plains. The Amorites were determined to stay in MountHeres, Aijalon, and Shaalbim, but when the descendants of Joseph became stronger, they forced the Amorites to work as slaves.


Zephaniah 2:12-15

"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist

Leviticus 21:9

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

Interesting

1Samuel 6:19-20
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?


1 Kings 20:35-36

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.

What?!


Ezekiel 9:5-7

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."

Another massacre.

Jeremiah 51:20-26

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.

Another massacre, same old story.

Isaiah 13:15-18

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

It seem it gets from bad to worse!


1 Kings 13:1-2

At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you."

Very sick indeed.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property

So you can beat your slave as much as you like, just make sure IT doesn't die, and I call the slave it since a slave is a mere possession according to the Bible.

I think that should do, this without a doubt proves that the Bible that the Christians hold preaches and advocates terrorism. I challenge any Christian to come and tell me these verses which I posted are not evil and not terrorism.



 

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